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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
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Message 237 of 353 (838771)
08-27-2018 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
08-26-2018 4:09 PM


Re: Robber Barons
1) the Roman Empire was not a welfare state so He didn't have to address that problem,

While this is wildly divergent from the topic, Rome was in a sense a 'welfare state'. It is, in fact, often claimed by modern libertarian historians as an example of the inevitable failure of welfare states.

You may be familiar with the phrase 'bread and circuses'. This of course stems from ancient Rome - specifically from the satirist Juvenal - who claimed the rulers of Rome simply bought the support of the populace by the distribution of bread to the poor and by the provision of frivolous entertainment (incidentay they didn't actually distribute bread in Juvenal's day, the dole was paid in grain, but this was changed to the distribution of bread not long after under Aurelian - along with salt, pork and wine).

In Jesus' day, about a third of the Roman populace were living off the free grain distributed by the state


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Message 314 of 353 (839702)
09-13-2018 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by jar
09-12-2018 5:22 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
But it is not an opinion Faith but rather a conclusion based on overwhelming evidence.

Then it would make sense to present that evidence. While it's probably overkill to provide evidentiary support or elaborate your argument every time you present a standard piece of common knowledge, if you want to advance an unusual and controversial position (that there is no such thing as Western Christian civilisation) it might help to use a few more words.

Maybe what you're actually saying is something fairly uncontroversial, but we'd have more chance of knowing that if you tried explaining what you mean.

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Message 330 of 353 (839973)
09-20-2018 1:39 PM
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09-14-2018 6:21 AM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
Sorry for slow response.

It seems to me that all you're really saying is that western Christian culture is diverse. But of course that's going to be the case if we talking about something so big. That there are differences between Catholic and Protestant cultures doesn't mean they're not part of the same civilisation - Catholics an Protestants share a lot of the same cultural history (of which the conflict between them makes up a significant part).

This is a bit of an argument about nothing, since 'civilisation' is a fairly ephemeral term. But any concept which implies that Catholics and Protestants living next door and speaking the same language are part of different civilisations is a strange one, to my mind.


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