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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
frako
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Message 13 of 353 (837797)
08-09-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
04-04-2017 1:11 AM


I think that in over 20 mass migrations in documented history 19 had a positive effect on the country where they have arrived. The only ones that had a negative effect where in Iran i think where they made a 5 million geto town that just saps resources and produces noting and is a hellhole for those that live behind those walls.

This is all from memory though so do feel free to check up on my statements.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 138 of 353 (838113)
08-14-2018 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
08-13-2018 8:52 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
nope medicare for all benefits all Americans, overall helhcarte costs go down and quality of care goes up, or so say the Koch brothers of all people lmao. Im glad the scientific method sucks at trying to prove a wrong thing right.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 145 of 353 (838137)
08-14-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
08-14-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
It all comes down to this, do you want the poor to suffer whitout helthcare or do you want to help them.

And do you believe a for profit health system has a snowball's chance in hell to care for those without money.

I personaly believe profit and healthcare should not mix, because the true profit is in long term care not in a fix, and such a system insentavises treating symptoms instead of the cause.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 163 of 353 (838662)
08-25-2018 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Faith
08-25-2018 2:25 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Everybody needs helthcare, everybody needs food. Why not make a grate public work and provide food and healthcare to every american.

You know make doctors like the american milirtary swarming in to unhealthy places giving everyone dental care and a checkup, and giant state farms that provide food for everybody for free.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 227 of 353 (838756)
08-27-2018 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
08-26-2018 6:08 PM


Re: Robber Barons
The tithe is voluntary, you are not put in jail if you fail to give it. And in reality a lot more than the tithe is normally given by those who can afford it. Besides which, in many churches there is a separate fund collected to help impoverished church members. As well as separate funds to support various ministries such as the sevices given to women with unwanted pregnancies, and local food banks and so on.

Perhaps nowdays but in the good old days of the curch before this fad of non violance came arround, you had to pay taxes to the curch. and taxes to your lord. a tenth of everything you had, not just your profits had to go to the curch every year or you would go to debters prison or worse.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 240 of 353 (838807)
08-28-2018 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Faith
08-27-2018 6:00 AM


Re: Robber Barons
Romans 13:6-7 ESV / 108 helpful votes
For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Matthew 22:17-21 ESV / 90 helpful votes
Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 62 helpful votes
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

Romans 13:7-8 ESV / 41 helpful votes
Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:5-7 ESV / 34 helpful votes
Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Romans 13:1 ESV / 33 helpful votes
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Romans 13:2 ESV / 29 helpful votes
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

Matthew 22:17-29 ESV / 25 helpful votes
Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” ...

Matthew 22:15-22 ESV / 23 helpful votes
Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to entangle him in his words. And they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of God truthfully, and you do not care about anyone's opinion, for you are not swayed by appearances. Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. ...

Luke 3:12-13 ESV / 21 helpful votes
Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.”

Matthew 17:24-27 ESV / 21 helpful votes
When they came to Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax went up to Peter and said, “Does your teacher not pay the tax?” He said, “Yes.” And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do kings of the earth take toll or tax? From their sons or from others?” And when he said, “From others,” Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. However, not to give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for me and for yourself.”

Mark 12:13-17 ESV / 17 helpful votes
And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone's opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?” But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar's.” Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” And they marveled at him.

Luke 20:19-26 ESV / 16 helpful votes
The scribes and the chief priests sought to lay hands on him at that very hour, for they perceived that he had told this parable against them, but they feared the people. So they watched him and sent spies, who pretended to be sincere, that they might catch him in something he said, so as to deliver him up to the authority and jurisdiction of the governor. So they asked him, “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach rightly, and show no partiality, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful for us to give tribute to Caesar, or not?” But he perceived their craftiness, and said to them, ...

Matthew 17:27 ESV / 15 helpful votes
However, not to give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for me and for yourself.”

Luke 2:1-6 ESV / 13 helpful votes
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. And all went to be registered, each to his own town. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. ...

Genesis 14:20 ESV / 12 helpful votes
And blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!” And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

Matthew 21:31-32 ESV / 11 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

Cmmon the romans invented christianity and made it mandatory to control peole, do you really think they would not make sure that taxes and anything an authority figure says are mandatory.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 243 of 353 (838831)
08-29-2018 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Faith
08-28-2018 3:15 PM


Re: Robber Barons
What I said was NOT mandatory for Christians is the tithe to the Church itself.

A tithe is a 10 % tax on everything, its in the bible since abraham, and it is mandatory, if you read the bible that is, if you just make shit up sure its not.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 263 of 353 (838878)
08-29-2018 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
08-29-2018 11:18 AM


Re: Robber Barons
You should run for the new pope so the church does not get anything wrong ever again.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 292 of 353 (838936)
08-30-2018 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Faith
08-30-2018 4:26 PM


Re: Socialism
Well duh, you dont have billions of dollars if you think you have enough. But socialism is good for the rich too. If money is not returned back to the botom of the wealth pyramid sooner or later the botom runs out of money they cant buy anything those above them sell so the rich go bankrupt. The other option is to print more money and giving it to the poor, but that devalues the currency meaning the rich loose out again. Or you can tax the rich and return it to the botom of the pyramid.

Sure you could make a decent wage mandatory and return the money to the bottom that way. Then you could have the same taxes across the board, and cut socialist programs, and have a stable economy. But good luck trying to get the wealthy to give up some of their profits, on wages for the working class, they prefer the system you have now., where the collective whole chips in for those bottom feeders, and not the ones exploiting them.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 298 of 353 (838943)
08-30-2018 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Faith
08-30-2018 4:53 PM


take care of the poor

Minimum personal income.

improve health care

medicare for all would be the best choice for america right now. Socialist healthcare programs always outdo pay to play ones.

Given that profit motive lies in long term care the whole healthcare program from research to care would be better of without a profit motive. if you want to improve it further afterwards.

stimulate the poor to get unpoor

Access to free education is the best way to get about doing that.

while not killing the incentives to create wealth

Yea because if a rich person sees a poor man getting free helathcare he will loose al motive to gather piles and piles of money on his bank account.

as well as invention

the reason communist systems are lacking in innovations are because in some cases innovation was/is actively discouraged so people would have jobs.

and generosity by the wealthy, and paying down the deficit.

Gewt rid of the trump tax cuts for a starter. Stop throwing more then the next 13 countries combined in to the military would help as welll. As for the generosity of the rich, the story of Jesus and the old woman with 2 dimes comes to mind.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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