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Message 42 of 353 (837878)
08-10-2018 9:45 AM
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08-10-2018 8:03 AM


Re: 26% of conservatives and 23% of Tea Party folk support socialism.
"able or likely to cause harm or injury.

likely to cause problems or to have adverse consequences."


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Message 45 of 353 (837883)
08-10-2018 11:41 AM
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08-10-2018 11:36 AM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Obviously their muslimosity cancels their asianness with some left over to make them evil.

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Message 62 of 353 (837911)
08-10-2018 7:06 PM
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08-10-2018 5:58 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
No, a bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

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Message 172 of 353 (838696)
08-26-2018 9:07 AM
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08-26-2018 12:28 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
The right in the US thinks only of benefits the 1%.

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Message 174 of 353 (838698)
08-26-2018 10:22 AM
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08-26-2018 9:11 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
It's the 1% that hoards the wealth and prospers society as a whole not one whit. Plenty of studies have shown that.

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Message 234 of 353 (838768)
08-27-2018 12:50 PM
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08-27-2018 12:46 PM


Re: Robber Barons
Just as a matter of fact voluntary giving ends up giving a lot more than a tenth.

[citation required]


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Message 272 of 353 (838905)
08-30-2018 9:25 AM
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08-30-2018 1:07 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Most welfare recipients work. Welfare fraud is very rare.

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Message 278 of 353 (838913)
08-30-2018 12:11 PM
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08-30-2018 10:36 AM


Re: Socialism
There's plenty of money if the 1‰ paid their share. They might have to forego their seventh house and third yacht, poor dears.

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Message 279 of 353 (838914)
08-30-2018 12:15 PM
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08-30-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Socialism
No, the solution must be that we keep racking up the debt until we're owned and governed by Communist China.

That definitely is what the Republicans are doing, to pay for big tax cuts for the rich. Remember when a Democrat was president and the Republicans pretended they thought deficits matter?


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Message 281 of 353 (838920)
08-30-2018 2:53 PM
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08-30-2018 2:00 PM


Re: Socialism
I would like to be rich, but my politics and ideals aren't driven by envy.

Most liberals truly do believe in giving a helping hand to those in need.


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Message 286 of 353 (838930)
08-30-2018 4:24 PM
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08-30-2018 4:07 PM


Re: Socialism
And most conservatives ALSO truly do believe in giving a helping hand to those in need, and they show it with their actual giving which is always a lot more than the Left gives.

You made that up. Let's see the statistics.

(Obviously you won't produce them.)

However, all private giving is dwarfed by the needs. And note that the GOP tax bill made it much less attractive to deduct charitable donations, which transfers money from charity to the government.

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Message 295 of 353 (838940)
08-30-2018 5:23 PM
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08-30-2018 4:26 PM


Re: Socialism
Another one you made up.

And, of course, no attempt to support your claim that Right-wingers give more. As ex.

These conversations would go much better if you would try to make claims that have at least a tenuous connection to reality.


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Message 299 of 353 (838944)
08-30-2018 6:08 PM
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08-30-2018 5:24 PM


I would increase taxes on the rich and decrease taxes significantly for others. That creates demand, which creates jobs. I don't know what to do about wages. The economy worsens when the rich have all the money because they can't create the demand that the far more numerous 99% can.

Healthcare is an industry in which free market doesn't work. Patients don't have the choices a free market requires. Are you going to research the care and cost of all services provided by doctors and hospitals around you? No, and nobody else is. In the absence of true competition prices rise because doctors and hospitals want as much revenue as they can get. Medicare for all evokes the famous quote "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." It's not perfect but it's better than anything else, and it works pretty well in all the other developed countries. Note that we do not have the best health care in the world except in a very few categories.

The wealthy aren't contributing to fixing the deficit because there's nothing in it for them. That's how people work. My solution is taxation.

In many ways the rich are wealthy at the expense of the poor. E.g. Tremendous tax cuts for the rich followed by huge cuts in aid for the poor. (The latter haven't happened but the Republicans explicitly intend them).


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Message 300 of 353 (838945)
08-30-2018 6:10 PM
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08-30-2018 5:25 PM


Re: Socialism
Yes, I missed it. Those do look pretty convincing.

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Message 304 of 353 (838962)
08-31-2018 9:21 AM
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08-31-2018 1:18 AM


Taxes do not destroy financial incentives. It's always individually beneficial to accumulate more wealth.

The top tax bracket in the 1950s was 90% and the economy was great.

Plus there are other incentives, such as power.

Yes, taxation is the solution to financing government and a safety net. The right's solution is always more for the rich. Liberals tax and spend, conservative just spend on the rich and explode the deficit. Remember when Obama was President and Republicans pretended to care about the deficit?

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