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Author | Topic: Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all, no coercion as in socialistic systems that control and oppress everybody, but simply forgiveness and mercy through obedience to God.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
ringo writes: Faith writes:
There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all... Of course there is. Don't be silly. The whole point was to prevent people from being financially ruined forever. The money they would have paid was kept for their own (more productive) use. No, it was simply mercy to the poor who couldn't pay their debts. There wouldn't have been any money to be "kept" because they would have paid the debt if they'd had it.
...no coercion as in socialistic systems that control everybody.... You're making a strawman of socialism. Fraid I'm not. There are hybrid forms of socialism that are less totalitarian but the tendency of socialism is always toward totalitarian oppression in the hands of government. It's the complete opposite of the concepts of personal freedom so hard-won over the centuries before the US Constitution aimed to establish such freedoms as a principle of governance. But as John Adams and others of the Founders said in various ways, our system of government can only work well for a religious and moral people, "it is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other." Well, we've been losing our character as a "religious and moral people" for quite some time now, well beyond the point where such freedoms can be safely granted and the corporate federation still hold together, so we've become ripe for totalitarian oppression, of which socialism is a form. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Incorrectly used by the usual suspects here though, since not one word of that applies rightly to me. What I said is the truth, I'm talking about cultural and ideological differences, not race. It takes a mush-minded political-correctness-controlled leftist to see racism in that, let alone mental rigidity or hatred or intolerance, which are far from my character or point of view. You really have no idea how such ideas are simply canned PC propaganda that take the place of thinking.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Scandinavian socialism is the hybrid type I mentioned. Some people here call the normal functions of government "socialism" and I don't want to get into all that except to say that highway construction and other public works are not socialism. But socialism does tend to totalitarianism. Americans, and probably most Republicans, are ignorant of these things. And I don't claim to know much about it either except these general things.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I like Laura Ingraham, saw a bit of her comments and have pretty much forgotten what she said, but I refuse to fault her. Didn't see David Duke's comments and generally don't support him.
But what goes on here is really quite scary because it is Big Brother in spirit, determined to prevent anyone from thinking outside the party box. You are a bigoted comrade leftist that cannot tolerate anyone who actually thinks rather than toeing the party line. We can't compare cultures any more, can we? Certainly can't consider a Christian culture superior to a pagan culture. No, we now have Multiculturalism (one of the destructive concepts birthed from Cultural Marxism aimed at destroying America and Western Civilization), which declares that there are no differences between radically different cultures and ideologies cuz golly gosh that would be hate and bigotry, never mind that it has nothing to do with hate and bigotry, it's just a way to silence people who aren't on board with the leftist agenda. This is what Liberal Fascism is. I wonder if any of you will wake up to what you are really doing. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, Open Borders is one of the battering rams against Christian culture that has become very popular these days, as Leftist views in general have become popular. All you are proving is that this evil idea is indeed popular. Well, Hitler had his millions of followers too. I'm sure Pope Francis supports it too, being a good leftist Jesuit antichrist Pope who would like to see the papacy regain its former ascendancy over western civilization that was lost to the Protestant Reformation, which America once strongly represented. I'm sure we could find lots of Jesuits espousing Open Borders if we just took a glance around.
You can still repent though and fight on the side of righteousness instead of supporting the Antichrist. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I associate public education (promoted by Marx) with progress, and it specifically was crucial in moderating people and causing us all to move AWAY from old mindsets that were congenial towards tyranny and lack of freedom. really weird reversal of the truth there. Universal education was originally a Christian project, and literacy was promoted to foster the reading of the Bible. Universities were begun way back there somewhere as Christian institutions for the training of Christian pastors and teachers. All the Ivy League universities began with that aim. The Bible and various Catechisms and Confessions of Faith were the reading material for teaching children in the US in the early years. Marx's idea of "progress" simply isn't progress, and whatever he did to inspire public education could only have been subversive of what public education already existed, and could only lead to the murderous totalitarianism his ideas did in fact spawn despite all this effort to pretend they didn't. Marx was a Satanist and his work has borne the fruit of Satanism which is founded in the hatred of humanity. Satan worked to undermine Christianity, introduce false doctrine into the churches, get them well "liberalized" and dilute the true faith. As Christianity lost its power for good in society due to this satanic influence then a door was opened to all the evil ideologies he invented to replace it, such as Darwinism, Marxism and Freudianism. What is taken for progress is really a recipe for the destruction of Christian society by the destruction of Christian morality. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, no. The phrase is UNIVERSAL EDUCATION, the attempt to make sure that everyone gets a basic education, and googling it discovers that it is in fact very recent, just a few hundred years, and western.
You are right that there were universities and education of children in other places earlier. Nevertheless education for children in America was based on the Bible and Christian documents. European universities evolved from the monasteries and medieval churches, and American universities were specifically founded to train Christian pastors and teachers. The Muslim university, however, was not founded in Spain but in Morocco, and apparently there was a university in India that was even earlier. And your history of Spain is wacko from a number of angles. But this is getting away from the topic of what Marx supposedly contribguted to public education. Not much. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Interesting then that I didn't find any evidence of that on my google trek.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You might try addressing the actual topic instead of proliferating rabbit trails.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That is a lot of hot air that proves precisely nothing about universal education as an Islamic innovation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lot of assertions, no evidence and as I said I found none on my google search.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I see that Laura Ingraham is complaining that she has been treated to the same PC smear campaign I've been talking about. So what else is new? The Left absolutely cannot think but has a commitment to spewing character assassination hatred instead of discussion anyway.
. . He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I said "destroying Christian CULTURE," not Christianity. Multiculturalism is a Cultural Marxist wrecking ball, it is a sad parody of the idea of the "melting pot" which has entirely opposite consequences.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What has happened to the concept of tolerance is sad enough, but the destruction of the human mind that you exhibit is really scary. It is hard to believe what leftist mind control has done to people. It's destroyed the very idea of personal freedom, it has made authoritarian tyrants out of people like you, it is turning civilization into an oppressive nightmare which can only issue in chaos and violence. And it is you Mr. NN, who do not understand and apparently never will. The chasm between civilized reason and leftism is bottomless. I wish I had even a scintilla of hope that anything I could say could impede the destruction.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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