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Author Topic:   The TRVE history of the Flood...
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Message 197 of 1352 (805416)
04-18-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
04-18-2017 12:25 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Faith writes:

Of course the river is a clue. It's what's left of the huge deluge....


Rivers are the result of lots of little deluges and occasionally slightly bigger ones. We have rivers and we have deluges, so we know how these things work. What we do NOT have is any justification for extrapolating to one really really big deluge.

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Message 200 of 1352 (805420)
04-18-2017 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
04-18-2017 12:41 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Faith writes:

All those strata piled miles deep for starters, most of them so neatly distinguished from one another by straight flat contacts.


Those straight flat contacts indicate that they were NOT deposited by a violent cataclysm. Violence would mix the layers.

The layers can be explained by the normal events that we see happening every day.

Faith writes:

And the amazing size of the Grand Canyon for another.


The amazing size of a tree suggests that it took a long time to get that big.

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Message 207 of 1352 (805431)
04-18-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
04-18-2017 1:10 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Faith writes:

The strata have all the earmarks of following Walther's Law....


Does that include layers that are not sedimentary?

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Message 211 of 1352 (805436)
04-18-2017 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
04-18-2017 1:23 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Faith writes:

No.


If your "explanation" doesn't explain non-sedementary layers, then it isn't an explanation.

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Message 321 of 1352 (805742)
04-20-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Faith
04-19-2017 6:51 PM


Re: more just plain not true assertions
Faith writes:

I have two millennia of the best Bible exegetes behind me.


For at least a millennium of that, they were Catholics.

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Message 370 of 1352 (805888)
04-21-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by Faith
04-20-2017 2:19 PM


Re: digression on RCC
Faith writes:

That is RCC false history.


So name the "best exegetes" of Protestant theology between AD 500 and 1500.

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Message 376 of 1352 (805896)
04-21-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:05 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:

... we dispute the validity of the theories on both sides that account for this or that. And that's the whole debate.


But that's like arguing aerodynamics with a pilot. When you don't know what you're talking about, your opinion doesn't need to be counted.

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Message 382 of 1352 (805904)
04-21-2017 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 379 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:28 PM


Re: digression on RCC
Faith writes:

There really aren't any Protestant theologians during that period so basically I skip it in my list of exegetes;


So it isn't strictly honest to say you have two millennia of the best Bible exegetes behind you. You have a thousand-year gap.

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Message 384 of 1352 (805906)
04-21-2017 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:40 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:

Then there is no debate you see.


That's right, there is no debate as far as science is concerned. Your silly notions were disproved more than a century ago. The reason this site exists is to prevent you from forcing your silly notions on innocent schoolchildren.

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Message 390 of 1352 (805920)
04-21-2017 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by Faith
04-21-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:

In that case we need to invoke Rule 10 against you.


Curse you for making me read the rules.

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Message 431 of 1352 (806036)
04-22-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 404 by Faith
04-21-2017 7:47 PM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:

If the Bible is the truth then what it says about things in the real world can be used as evidence for those things and against contradictory statements about those things.


And vice versa: If the Bible disagrees with what we observe in the real world, then the Bible isn't true.

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Message 432 of 1352 (806040)
04-22-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 409 by CRR
04-22-2017 2:23 AM


Re: All means all
CRR writes:

Gen 1-11 reads as history....


Can you give some examples of talking snakes in history?

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Message 435 of 1352 (806043)
04-22-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by Faith
04-22-2017 11:45 AM


Re: Let's not keep arguing the same old basics
Faith writes:

That's why I was suggesting putting aside these assumptions on both sides because it's a big waste of time to keep going back and forth like this.


How can you set aside real-world-observations in a science forum? We're not arguing opinions here. We're arguing facts.

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Message 580 of 1352 (806756)
04-27-2017 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 570 by CRR
04-27-2017 7:55 AM


Re: Learning
CRR writes:

People learn easier if they are taught rather than abused for being ignorant.


I cheered your statement because it's true.

However, creationists tend to be fiercely militant in their ignorance.

When you're on an airplane, do you go up to the cockpit and tell the pilot he's flying wrong? If not, why would you tell people who have studied science for decades that they're wrong?


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Message 592 of 1352 (807056)
04-30-2017 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 1:49 PM


Re: Back to the flood that happened...exactly as Genesis stated
Davidjay writes:

Its easy to defeat evolutionists....


If that was true, they'd be teaching creationism in the public schools instead of evolution.

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