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Dr Adequate
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Message 86 of 1352 (804316)
04-08-2017 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 1:05 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
Lets stick to the TOPIC as we move forward... in the mathematical PROOFS of the Great Flood ...

... which you have not presented ...

, the Great Destruction as noted by Darwin in the Beagle ...

... for which you supply no reference ...

and the eminent Viekosky.

Who is Viekosky and in what field is he eminent?


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Message 94 of 1352 (804340)
04-08-2017 10:15 AM
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04-08-2017 2:30 AM


Re: Evidence against the global flood being ignored
This is likely who he means:
Immanuel Velikovsky

So, eminent in the field of being wrong.


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Message 105 of 1352 (804467)
04-10-2017 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Dredge
04-09-2017 5:29 PM


And how can I trust the mentality that says antibiotic resistance is an example of evolution, for example?

Well, you could research antibiotic resistance, realize that antibiotic resistance is an example of evolution, and start trusting the mentality that says true things about biology; or at least regard it as more trustworthy than the mentality of ignorant creationist idiots maundering on about subjects of which they know nothing.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 108 of 1352 (804471)
04-10-2017 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
04-10-2017 12:20 AM


I'll say it again: this is false. Creationists are not anti-science. Creationists object to evolutionary and Old Earth claims and that's all.

But in framing these objections you manage to be wrong about pretty much everything else from the second law of thermodynamics to the behavior of comets to the deposition of sediment to the appearance of the fossil record to information theory to nuclear decay to the nature of the scientific method itself. What aspect of science have creationists not been wrong about in pursuit of their chosen errors?

Genesis is presented as historical fact. What then?

Ooh, I know! Then we ask if it is consistent with the evidence, realize that it isn't, and consign it to the dustbin of history.


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Message 113 of 1352 (804476)
04-10-2017 1:12 AM
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04-10-2017 1:05 AM


I was trying to get you to come out of your box long enough to consider that IF the Bible IS true then what choice does a person have but to start with what it says in constructing a scientific account of anything it addresses?

If it was true then that would not be necessary.

If there really is an elephant in the room, then we wouldn't have to first assume that there is an elephant in the room, and then fudge and reinterpret and deny all the evidence in the light of that assumption. We could just look in the room without prejudice or preconceptions and see the elephant.

(And if by some chance there was not an elephant in the room, then the same method would tell us that too.)


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Message 122 of 1352 (804489)
04-10-2017 10:13 AM
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04-10-2017 7:26 AM


You are simply missing the whole point. We KNOW that God's word is true, so that is where we MUST start.

How do you "KNOW" this? Not from the evidence, obviously, since you feel it is imperative to make up your mind on the subject before looking at the evidence. But what other way is there of acquiring knowledge?

I'd be an idiot to put it aside to start with the observations of my own fallen mind.

If it really was true, then you'd get the same results either way so long as it's a point on which we have evidence. For example, the Bible says that the Sun exists, but since it does exist we don't need to assume the truth of the Bible in order to come to that conclusion.


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Message 124 of 1352 (804494)
04-10-2017 1:51 PM
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04-10-2017 1:33 PM


Re: .. Great Pyramid
So do you think that the Lord's 1000 year rule started in 1997?!?

Sure, it was heralded by signs and portents. Michael Tyson bit that guy's ear, the first Harry Potter book came out, and the musical adaptation of The Lion King began what is now a record-breaking 20 year run on Broadway. These are exactly the sort of miracles we expect to attend the second coming of Christ.


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Message 158 of 1352 (805025)
04-15-2017 1:33 AM


So, Davidjay found no evidence for the Flood?

OK, how will he make a fool of himself next?


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Message 164 of 1352 (805075)
04-15-2017 11:45 AM
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04-15-2017 11:29 AM


Re: Math proven, thanks... now moving on to Darwin
Is this repulsive mess of halfwitted gibberish meant to distract us from the fact that you have produced no evidence for the Flood?

It failed.


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Message 179 of 1352 (805391)
04-18-2017 11:26 AM
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04-18-2017 11:07 AM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
I'm glad to see I came to the same conclusion the creationist ministry you quote came to, -- that is partly what makes this fun, finding out that different people come to the same conclusions from simple observations ...

Yes, you all read the same fatuous creationist propaganda and came to the conclusion that it was correct, that's got to mean something.

Of course, your conclusions are at complete variance with those of people who studied the rocks instead, and that too means something.


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Message 181 of 1352 (805393)
04-18-2017 11:30 AM
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04-18-2017 6:20 AM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Yes, it's likely that the Grand Canyon is the result of Noah's Flood

You don't think the river at the bottom of it is a clue? Nah, course you don't.


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Message 193 of 1352 (805411)
04-18-2017 12:22 PM
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04-18-2017 11:59 AM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Yes it's unfortunate that the first creationist geologists had some very wrong ideas. They couldn't see that ALL the strata would have been the result of the Flood for one big mistake they made.

Once again could I remind you that I have demonstrated that this claim of yours is complete bollocks. Please make a note of it this time.


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Message 195 of 1352 (805414)
04-18-2017 12:25 PM
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04-18-2017 12:07 PM


Re: On "opinions"
And all your dating methods are opinion too, because they cannot be verified for the past they purport to date.

And the stars we see through telescopes are opinion too, because the telescopes cannot be verified for the distances over which they purport to see?

And now let us turn to your opinion that there were once living dinosaurs. How did you verify that, remind me?


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Message 204 of 1352 (805427)
04-18-2017 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
04-18-2017 12:25 PM


Re: the idea of more than one biblical flood is what's silly, AND the date of course
Of course the river is a clue. It's what's left of the huge deluge ...

Faith. Do you know what a river is? Seriously, do you even know what a river is?

But the idea that that little river itself could have done that is so absurd that you really ought to laugh at yourself for the thought.

And yet people who unlike you have studied erosion think that this "little" river could easily have cut the canyon, and laugh at the thought of your magic flood.

Let's think about how "little" this river is, shall we? According to figures from the USGS, over the last century or so the flow through the Grand Canyon has averaged about 15000 cubic feet per second, let's convert that to 140 cubic meters per second, so 4.4 billion cubic meters per year. It may have fluctuated a bit over longer periods of time, but let's use that as our ballpark figure. Now the minimum age given by geologists for the Grand Canyon is about 6 million years, so in that time that would be 26 quadrillion cubic meters of water, or, to put it another way, seven times the volume of the Mediterranean Sea.


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Message 205 of 1352 (805428)
04-18-2017 1:19 PM
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04-18-2017 12:29 PM


Re: On "opinions"
Bones, dear, bones.

So not by getting in your time machine and seeing any living dinosaurs?

Fine. And how do we verify the ages of the rocks? Isotopes, dear, isotopes.

I think most of astronomy has been verified by space travel if nothing else.

I specified stars. We haven't visited a single star.


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