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CRR
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Message 944 of 1352 (810616)
05-31-2017 8:06 AM
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05-31-2017 7:12 AM


Re: Evaporites
I conclude from this answer that you didn't read the referenced article. Reply again when you have something substantial to contribute.
And so to bed.

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Message 952 of 1352 (811091)
06-05-2017 3:40 AM
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06-03-2017 9:42 AM


Re: There was a world-wide flood. because of
Davidjay writes:
I think not, the truth is there the pics are there,
Davidjay, do you mean pics of giant skeletons? These pics are faked. Humans as large as the faked photographs portray are physiologically impossible. Giant hoax - creation.com

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Message 963 of 1352 (811524)
06-09-2017 3:28 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
06-08-2017 11:05 PM


Local Flood
There's no point in proposing a local flood, we aren't buying it.
If it was a local flood there would have been no need for a huge boat. Noah and his family could have simply walked out of the potential flood area and enough animals would have survived in unflooded areas to repopulate.

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CRR
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Message 969 of 1352 (811769)
06-12-2017 4:11 AM
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06-09-2017 10:33 AM


Re: More evidence
Fact: The theory of evolution is a delusion.
Fixed it for you.
N-Joi

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CRR
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Message 971 of 1352 (811773)
06-12-2017 5:57 AM
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06-12-2017 5:44 AM


Re: Belief
Definition of belief
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing her belief in God a belief in democracy I bought the table in the belief that it was an antique. contrary to popular belief
2: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed an individual's religious or political beliefs; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group the beliefs of the Catholic Church
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence belief in the validity of scientific statements
Yes, you DO believe in evolution.
Some people might believe in something " in spite of invalidating evidence" but that does not invalidate any of the other definitions.

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CRR
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Message 1187 of 1352 (813310)
06-26-2017 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1186 by 14174dm
06-24-2017 8:29 PM


how much water?
If the world's water was converted to a uniform layer over the Earth's surface it would be 2.7km thick. Clearly if Mt Everest, 9km high, existed at the time it could not have been covered by a global flood. However the top of Everest has marine fossils so even by conventional geology it must once have been much lower. Possibly pre-flood mountains over 1,000m high could have been covered by Noah's Flood. During and after the flood there could have been large vertical tectonic movements to produce great depths of sediment in places and mountains that today are at heights greater than the maximum depth of the flood.
How did the waters of Noahs Flood drain - creation.com

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CRR
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Message 1230 of 1352 (813484)
06-28-2017 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1197 by ICANT
06-27-2017 4:36 AM


‘Peleg: for in his days was the earth divided’.
In the days of Peleg
Ancient documents are consistent with the total accuracy of the Bible’s chronology.
by Larry Pierce
quote:
Four generations after Noah, Genesis 10:25 records the birth of Peleg (meaning division) ‘for in his days was the earth divided’. Some suggest the continents of the earth were divided at this time. However, this seems unlikely, as such a process would have had to occur within a very confined time period. The resultant geological violence would be overwhelmingly catastrophiclike another Noahic Flood all over again. Any continental separation thus likely occurred during the Flood.
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After Alexander the Great had defeated Darius at Gaugmela near Arbela, he journeyed to Babylon. Here he received 1903 years of astronomical observations from the Chaldeans, which they claimed dated back to the founding of Babylon. If this was so, then that would place the founding of Babylon in 2234 BC, or about thirteen years after the birth of Peleg.
There's also a good discussion here
There might well have been mountains before the flood but most of today's mountains would be post flood. The entire landscape would have been terraformed during the flood.

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CRR
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Message 1231 of 1352 (813486)
06-28-2017 12:41 AM
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06-27-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
God moved each continent to where they are in a nano second.
Catastrophic plate tectonics during the flood year seems more likely.

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CRR
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Message 1244 of 1352 (813600)
06-29-2017 6:49 AM
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06-28-2017 2:39 PM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
For the plates to move from where they were at to where they are now over a year would have boiled all the water out of the ocean and destroyed everything on the planet.
It took well over one year, in fact the continents are still moving. It probably did generate a lot of volcanic activity which raised temperatures, increased evaporation, precipitation, and eventually the post flood ice age. What caused the Ice Age?

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CRR
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Message 1246 of 1352 (813607)
06-29-2017 8:17 AM
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06-29-2017 7:14 AM


Re: Flood waters receeded into depths
How about a meteorologist with a Masters Science degree in Atmospheric Science from the University of Washington writing about the ice age?

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CRR
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Message 1248 of 1352 (813713)
06-30-2017 4:07 AM
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06-29-2017 8:28 AM


Post Flood Ice Age
Michael J. Oard, a meteorologist with a Masters Science degree in Atmospheric Science from the University of Washington writing about the ice age
What caused the Ice Age?

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CRR
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Message 1270 of 1352 (814361)
07-08-2017 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1252 by Pollux
06-30-2017 8:02 PM


Re: Post Flood Ice Age
Cores from the ocean floor near the coast of Spain gives an example of other evidence. Layers of fine silt with forest pollens alternate with ones of coarse deposit and grass pollens. This is because under warm conditions the core site is far from the shore so only fine silt from the nearby rivers reach it, and a warm forest grows on the land.
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Geologists have claimed that these features have been found in ancient rock layers, proving that there had been previous ice ages over geologic time. Many lines of evidence now indicate that the observations have been misinterpreted:
The ‘tillites’ of lower rock layers are small in area, commonly thick, and probably all of marine origin, whereas those of modern glaciers are relatively large in area, thin, and continental.
There are limestones and dolomites frequently associated with these ‘tillites’carbonates which form today in warm water, not cold.
The largest boulders in the ancient ‘tillites’ are much smaller than the larger boulders being deposited by glacial action today.
Underwater mass flows can produce tillite-like deposits, as well as striated bedrock and striated stones in the ‘tillite’. Such mass flows would be expected during Noah’s Flood.
Turbidity currents can deposit varve-like laminated sediments very quickly. These sediments are more accurately called rhythmites. A varve is defined as a rhythmite deposited in one year. Lambert and Hsu have presented evidence from a Swiss lake that such varve-like rhythmites form rapidly by catastrophic turbid water underflows.
At one location, five couplets of these varve-like rhythmites formed during a single year. At Mount St Helens in the USA, a stratified deposit 8 m (25 ft) thick, consisting of many thin varve-like laminae, was formed in less than one day (12 June 1980). Flow tank experiments have shown how laminations can form rapidly when two different grain sizes are carried together in flowing water.10
The so-called ‘dropstones’ could not have been dropped into the ancient ‘varvites’11 because such a method of placement would result in tell-tale disturbance of the laminations, which is rarely observed. The evidence suggests they were placed with the enclosing sediments by turbidity currents or other mass flowsagain consistent with what would be expected during a global Flood. In other words the ‘varvites’ did not come from cyclical, annual, glacial lake deposition.
The Creation Answers Book Chapter 16 by Dr Don Batten (contributing editor), Dr David Catchpoole, Dr Jonathan Sarfati and Dr Carl Wieland
quote:
One of these supposed ice age deposits that has been reinterpreted as a mass flow is a Late Precambrian (Neoproterozoic) ‘tillite’ in northern Namibia. ...
The Namibian deposit, the Chuos ‘tillite’, was considered a glacial deposit when first analyzed in 1931. It correlates with many other Neoproterozoic supposed glacial deposits in West Africa, as well as many other locations across the earth. Two out of three diagnostic properties for an ancient glaciation were claimed for the Chuos and several other ‘tillites’: these are striated rocks and dropstone varvites. ...
But, Schermerhorn questioned many Neoproterozoic claimed tillites, and especially the Namibian ‘ice age’ deposits. Upon considering Schermerhorn’s criticisms, Martin, who first believed that the Namibian deposits were glacial from his analysis in the 1960s, reanalyzed the deposits and reinterpreted the Chuos ‘tillite’ as the product of mass flow. ...
Recently Nick Eyles, a long-time expert on both Pleistocene and pre-Pleistocene ice age deposits, and Nicole Januszczak reanalyzed the Namibian deposits again and emphatically stated that the deposits are subaqueous mass flow deposits. (15)
An ancient ‘ice age’ deposit attributed to subaqueous mass flowagain! Michael J. Oard, JOURNAL OF CREATION 22(2) 2008 here
As an aside, Noah did not seem to notice the Ice Age when he planted his vineyard
Of course, because it would have taken hundreds of years for the ice age to develop following the flood, and in any case the ice only covered northern Europe.

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CRR
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Message 1271 of 1352 (814362)
07-08-2017 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1251 by RAZD
06-30-2017 8:21 AM


Re: Ice Cores.
The Lost Squadron in Greenland shows how ice cores can be misinterpreted to greatly exaggerate ages. In 46 years, from 1942 to 1988, the 8 aircraft were covered by 75m of ice showing hundreds of "annual" layers.
The lost squadron - creation.com
Hugh Ross correctly points out that the southeast corner of the Greenland Ice Sheet [where the lost squadron landed] is a relatively warm area with very high snowfall. However, this situation shows that with a different climate regime during the Ice Age with no sea ice and a warm ocean, the rapid development of the Greenland Ice Sheet can occur. Snowfall was much heavier in the first several post—Flood centurieseven heavier than snowfall near the shores of Greenland today.
Cold comfort for long-agers - creation.com
Ice core clamour - creation.com

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CRR
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Message 1272 of 1352 (814363)
07-08-2017 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1262 by NosyNed
07-02-2017 11:48 PM


Re: Tectonic Speed
I've seen articles suggesting they are speeding up but Professor Sergei Pisarevskiy has come to the tentative conclusion that the average rate of tectonic plate movement does change.
"Right now for example it's slower than it was half a billion years agobut approximately the same as it was one and a half billion years ago," he says.
Read more at: https://phys.org/...8-world-tectonic-plate-movement.html#jCp
Geophysicists have discovered something startling about tectonic plates: when under extreme stress, they hit the gas and can accelerate in speed by up to 20 times.
When they're about to split, the plates can move about as fast as the human fingernail grows, and that's very fast indeed as far as continental drift is concerned.
Read more at: Scientists Just Figured Out Continental Plates Can Move Up to 20 Times Faster Than We Thought : ScienceAlert
They are still only talking about rates of ~20mm/year but it shows that plate movement does not have to be constant. Since they are trying to fit movements into a "millions of years" paradigm it's not surprising they get low numbers.

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Message 1274 of 1352 (814365)
07-08-2017 6:25 AM
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07-08-2017 5:22 AM


Re: Ice Cores.
You obviously didn't read the second paragraph where I mentioned the much higher rate of snowfall in the area where the lost squadron was found.
But yes I should have referred to a more recent article. Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets old?
Edited by CRR, : added 2nd paragraph

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