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Author Topic:   Laws happened by accident ? and did Laws evolve ?
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Message 20 of 114 (804850)
04-13-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Percy
04-13-2017 11:58 AM


Re: Inadequate Response Adequate
Percy writes:

The Big Bang... was not an explosion but a very rapid expansion....


I'm not very happy with that distinction. According to Wikipedia:
quote:
An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. link

Sounds fairly big-bangish to me.

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Message 22 of 114 (804854)
04-13-2017 12:14 PM
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04-13-2017 12:11 PM


Re: Inadequate Response Adequate
ramoss writes:

Except, there isn't any 'release of energy' in the big bang.


Fair enough - but it's a pretty nit-picky distinction. The Big Bang was a one-off, after all, so I see no problem with calling it a "unique explosion".

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Message 39 of 114 (805085)
04-15-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Davidjay
04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Selection ONLY works if there is a magic beneficial mutation.


No. Selection only removes the worst mutations. The short-legged zebras can't run as fast so they're the ones that get eaten. The ones that survive don't have to have super-powers.

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Message 57 of 114 (805408)
04-18-2017 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Davidjay
04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.


You really should think about it.

1. The short-legged zebras are more likely to be eaten by lions because they can't run as fast. Do you understand that?

2. Therefore, the short-legged zebras are less likely to reproduce before being eaten so the short-legged gene is less likely to be passed on. Do you understand that?

It's the lions that are doing the selecting.


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Message 58 of 114 (805409)
04-18-2017 12:18 PM
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04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Tangle writes:

Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?


We eat fruitloops for breakfast. It's our staple diet.

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Message 64 of 114 (805620)
04-19-2017 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 8:27 AM


Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
Davidjay writes:

Evolution did not creat any LAWS....


Physical laws are not "created". They are just a description of what we observe. They don't have a "lawgiver".

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Message 66 of 114 (805892)
04-21-2017 11:51 AM
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04-21-2017 9:32 AM


Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
Davidjay writes:

The wierd theory of evolution is not a law...


You should try to understand what a law is. As I said, a law is just a description of what we observe. It's a shorthand notation. It's a man-made construct.

Davidjay writes:

... and it has no counterpart laws in any
other field of true science.


All of the "laws" in biology, geology, chemistry, physics, etc. are fully compatable. Which of those do you think are not "true" science?

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Message 68 of 114 (805924)
04-21-2017 1:24 PM
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04-21-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
Davidjay writes:

I have proven my point.


You've proven that you don't understand what physical laws are.

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Message 85 of 114 (806185)
04-23-2017 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 10:20 AM


Re: Back to the topic !!
Davidjay writes:

Do laws evolve evolutionists ? Yes or No, and explain !


What do you mean by that question? What would evolution of a law look like?

A law is a summary of what we observe, so as we make new observations the summary of those observations may be amended. Would you call that evolution?


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Message 89 of 114 (806303)
04-24-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:53 AM


Re: Back to the topic !!
Davidjay writes:

... they dont know the answer or answers or have any idea about the topic.


You're the one who isn't answering his posts.

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