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Author Topic:   Laws happened by accident ? and did Laws evolve ?
Tangle
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Message 6 of 114 (804811)
04-13-2017 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Debate is two sided rather than unilateral proofs
Davidjay writes:

If you have no opinion or theory, then creationism wins by your default

Um, no.


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Message 31 of 114 (804942)
04-14-2017 11:46 AM
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04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Hence I would suggest, He is RIGHT evolution doesnt have anything to do with the origins of life, or the origins of the laws of life and non life.

You have no need to suggest it like it's an original or contested point, everyone here will tell you that evolution tells us nothing about the origins of life. That's a totally different subject as you have been told many times.

As for the origins of non-life, well that's a weird one even for you.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 54 of 114 (805326)
04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 74 of 114 (806029)
04-22-2017 11:03 AM
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04-22-2017 10:46 AM


Percy writes:

I mean, how can something explode if there are no laws? How would a big explosion change the laws that were present before the explosion, or produce laws if there were no laws before the explosion?

Prof Hawking reckons the universe was inevitable because of the law of gravity. Leaving the obvious question hanging.

quote:
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."


I'm not sure we're capable of understanding it, or even why we should be.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 78 of 114 (806047)
04-22-2017 12:01 PM
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04-22-2017 11:41 AM


Davidjay writes:

When you write......(end of your inevitable quote)

Could you do us all a favour and learn how to use quotes?
[qs] to open
[/qs] to close

Therefore evolutionists are again confused

Well I am for sure, and so, I imagine, is everybody else. We don't know this stuff and very few people are capable of making any sense of it. But we also don't make shit up just because we don't understand it.

And by-the-way, Hawking is not an "evolutionist".

Edited by Admin, : Change ps to qs.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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