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04-15-2017 8:08 AM


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Thread copied here from the Evolution is a racist doctrine thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 240 of 404 (807318)
05-02-2017 8:56 AM
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05-01-2017 11:03 PM


Re: Three evolutionists have said, bats are their ancestors.
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Three of your fellow evolutionists say bats were the ancestors of primates (Humans),...

This isn't true, and since you're ignoring the many people informing you that it isn't true, and you're ignoring the record of the thread itself, I am stepping in now. Please drop this claim or face a short suspension. Also, see my Message 572 in the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread.

The topic of this thread is whether evolution is a racist doctrine. Please discuss the topic.


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Message 312 of 404 (809073)
05-16-2017 7:52 AM


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I haven't posted to this thread in two and half weeks, so I will now begin moderating this thread.

Let's try to get this thread back on track. Davidjay believes evolution is a racist doctrine because it defines which races are better than others. Let's start there.


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Message 322 of 404 (809160)
05-16-2017 1:37 PM
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05-16-2017 9:54 AM


Davidjay Suspended 24 Hours
Davidjay writes:

I was amazed they thought treeshrews were our ancestors,...
...
They answer few questions except that they think we came from tree shrews,...

No one said we came from tree shrews. I'm going to begin suspending you for 24 hours each time you make this statement, or any statement clearly at odds with what people have said.


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Message 329 of 404 (809374)
05-18-2017 8:45 AM
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05-17-2017 7:03 PM


Davidjay Suspended 48 Hours
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First they say primates came from bats, then tree shrews

No one said primates came from bats or tree shrews. As I said when I suspended you previously, I will suspend you each time you make significant misstatements of what people have said. This time I'm suspending you for 48 hours.


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Message 335 of 404 (809581)
05-19-2017 10:01 AM
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05-18-2017 11:25 AM


Re: Creationism wins, racism loses
In case it helps make sense of some of what Davidjay says, he doesn't understand the difference between a tree showing descent, like the one you just showed:

And a tree showing classification relationships, like this one that caused him to conclude that primates are descended from bats:


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Message 339 of 404 (809627)
05-19-2017 5:34 PM
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Re: Creationism wins, racism loses
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And the one which you claim led to DavidJay's confusion about bats doesn't include any bats.

Sorry, I meant tree shrews.

I do not understand the distinction you're making - those trees are both showing descent.

Here's the diagram again:

Here's the paragraph from the Scientific American article (Introducing the Treeshrews: They Don't All Live in Trees and They Aren't Close to Shrews) that appears beneath the diagram:

quote:
Treeshrews might not be part of Primates, but they do share anatomical characters (in the skeleton and in numerous organ systems) with primates as well as with the so-called flying lemurs (Dermoptera). The idea that they’re part of the placental group Euarchonta is therefore universally accepted… more or less (read on). Some molecular studies suggest an especially close relationship between treeshrews and flying lemurs (Murphy et al. 2001, Olson et al. 2005, Springer et al. 2007, Prasad et al. 2008, Asher et al. 2009). This hypothesis has become quite popular and the clade that contains the two has been termed Sundatheria (Olson et al. 2005) or Paraprimates (Springer et al. 2007). ‘Sundatheria’ refers to the idea that these mammals are strongly associated with Sundaland, the biogeographical region that incorporates Borneo, Sumatra, peninsula Malaysia and the adjacent continental shelf region that would have been exposed during times of low sea level.

To my reading it is representing it as a diagram of classification. Davidjay noted that this paragraph says that tree shrews are part of Euarchonta, then saw in the diagram (he thought) that primates are descended from Euarchonta, and so concluded that primates are descended from tree shrews. I don't claim to have it right, deciphering Davidjay is challenging, but that's how I was looking at it.


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Message 352 of 404 (810150)
05-24-2017 8:57 AM
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05-23-2017 4:27 PM


Re: Creationism wins, racism loses
Maybe I can state it another way. Here's the diagram:

Davidjay interpreted it as saying that primates are descended from Euarchonta, rather than that they're a member of Euarchonta. Then, not understanding that Scandentia, shown in the diagram as also members of Euarchonta, are tree shrews he read that tree shrews are part of Euarchonta and concluded that primates are descended from tree shrews. That's my interpretation of how Davidjay reached his conclusions.

If I understand what you mean when you explain that it's a diagram of "phylogenetic classification", it says our ancestor species were also members of Euarchonta.

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Message 380 of 404 (810937)
06-03-2017 8:48 AM


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Please, everyone, stop making personal comments about the people you're debating with. Keep the focus on the discussion topic. This is the only warning I'll give before I begin issuing suspensions.

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