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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
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Message 27 of 1311 (807207)
05-01-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by CRR
05-01-2017 6:57 AM


Re: What are you arguing?
CRR writes:

Please state your position. Are you trying to make the case that
a) NOTHING in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
b) SOME things in biology only make sense in the light of evolution.
c) for some things in biology evolution provides a plausible but not exclusive explanation.
d) Everything in biology makes sense without invoking evolution.


You can DO things without them making sense. A cat can start a fire by knocking over a heater but does fire make sense to the cat? Fire only makes sense in the light of chemistry and physics.

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Message 250 of 1311 (809443)
05-18-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Dredge
05-17-2017 6:23 PM


Dredge writes:

... ignoring the possibility that there could be another explanation, known or as yet unknown.


Nobody denies that there "could" be another explanation. But the plain fact is that there ISN'T another explanation. Biology makes sense in the light of the only explanation we have.

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Message 381 of 1311 (810097)
05-23-2017 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Faith
05-23-2017 9:25 AM


Re: You don't get to define science for YECs
Faith writes:

STOP TELLING ME I'M NOT BEING SCIENTIFIC WHEN I KNOW I AM.


You're not being scientific. You can't be scientific all by yourself. It's a collective endeavour.

If all creationists could get together and provide an alternative explanation for what is observed in biology, that could conceivably be called science. Your individual wild guesses can not.


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Message 385 of 1311 (810105)
05-23-2017 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by Faith
05-23-2017 1:19 PM


Re: You don't get to define science for YECs
Faith writes:

Was Hutton doing science before anyone accepted his theories? Or any other pioneer?


Of course there's always a beginning. What followed AFTER Hutton et al. was what made it science - the testing and confirmation.

There is nothing following after your mad speculations. You propose no testing. Nobody is trying to test creationism. THAT is why it is not science.


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Message 405 of 1311 (810273)
05-26-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 396 by Dredge
05-25-2017 11:41 PM


Dredge writes:

Creationism doesn't need to "produce its own science".


Correction: creationism CAN'T produce its own science because there's nothing scientific about it. Creationism can't make sense of biology because it ignores reality. it's based entirely on myth.

If creationism could produce its own science, it might be taken seriously by science; it might be possible to teach it in schools. But as it is, all creationism can say is that science is wrong, which isn't much of a basis for education.


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Message 432 of 1311 (810436)
05-29-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Davidjay
05-29-2017 11:06 AM


Re: We have agreement....
Davidjay writes:

... creationism is the sane logical rational other explanation.


Creationism doesn't EXPLAIN anything. It only asserts that God created; it doesn't explain HOW. Religionists even agree that Gods ways and means are unknowable by mere mortals.

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Message 443 of 1311 (810516)
05-30-2017 11:37 AM
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05-29-2017 6:58 PM


Re: We have agreement....
Davidjay writes:

But it involves ultimate power and ultimate wisdom as well.


"Ultimate power" and "ultimate wisdom" don't explain anything.

Davidjay writes:

There I answered another one of your questions.


You still have forty pages of unanswered posts.

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Message 444 of 1311 (810517)
05-30-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 437 by Dredge
05-30-2017 12:19 AM


Re: We have agreement....
Dredge writes:

Of course not - creation is a miracle; miracles can't be explained.


Exactly. So why do you even bring up pseudo-scientific arguments against evolution?

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Message 453 of 1311 (810873)
06-02-2017 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by Dredge
06-02-2017 4:01 AM


Dredge writes:

Since 1981 you've been looking for evidence of creation and you've not yet found any? What would that evidence look like?


Shouldn't YOU be the one looking for evidence of creation? What would YOU consider to be evidence of creation?

Or are you just anti-evolution/anti-science?


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Message 456 of 1311 (811052)
06-04-2017 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by Dredge
06-04-2017 5:42 AM


Dredge writes:

I see anecdotal evidence of creation every day - a beautiful woman, for example!


What about ugly women then? What about parasitic worms?

Dredge writes:

But scientifically speaking, there is irreducible complexity, for starters.


Irreducible complexity is not scientific.

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Message 485 of 1311 (811939)
06-13-2017 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by CRR
06-13-2017 5:08 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
CRR writes:

I wouldn't worry about anything from that discredited atheist web site.


Discredited by creationists? That's kinda like saying the FBI was discredited by Dillinger.

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Message 503 of 1311 (812432)
06-16-2017 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 501 by aristotle
06-16-2017 11:46 AM


Re: The Nested Hierarchy
aristotle writes:

If evolution were true the Nautilus would have a lens for it's eye by now.


You can't predict what evolution coulda/woulda/shoulda done.

Aristotle writes:

If there is an advancement in DNA there is an advancement of information, they're one and the same.


It isn't an "advancement". It's a change.

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Message 522 of 1311 (812622)
06-18-2017 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Dredge
06-17-2017 5:29 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Dredge writes:

I would bet my bottom dollar that 99% of the authors at Talk Origins are atheists.


So you have no real arguments against TalkOrigins. You're reduced to telling yourself that they must be wrong because they're atheists. Isn't that kind of like a reverse Appeal to Authority?

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Message 540 of 1311 (812821)
06-20-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 534 by Dredge
06-19-2017 10:39 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Dredge writes:

Huh? I'm saying anyone who accepts evolution is wrong - theists included. BioLogos and Talk Origins are both wrong.


Then why mention atheists at all? Why not just argue against evolution from a scientific point of view?

Practically every Christian who knows anything about evolution accepts it. Why don't you try to figure out why YOU'RE wrong?


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Message 559 of 1311 (812954)
06-21-2017 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Dredge
06-20-2017 10:19 PM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Dredge writes:

Do you I might be retarded?


Not inherently retarded, maybe, but you are definitely being held back by your religious views.

Dredge writes:

"What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?" - 2Corinthians 6:15


Belial is creationism. Creationism is bad science and worse theology.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.


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