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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
vimesey
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Message 75 of 1311 (807770)
05-05-2017 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Davidjay
05-05-2017 11:26 AM


Re: Darwin
Biologists today are in corporations and government, and are products of the school systems that produce graduates for money making purposes..... and hence produce only evolutionists that feed their economic system.

So on the one hand, you argue that evolution is meaningless to the science of biology - and then on the other hand you argue that there is a conspiracy to teach evolution for money making purposes.

How, pray tell, can evolution make money, if it is meaningless to the (extremely lucrative) field of commercially applied biology ?


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 154 of 1311 (808204)
05-09-2017 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Tangle
05-09-2017 4:14 AM


Re: What mechanism stops evolutionary change?
But again, why try to create impossible scenarios for how the flood story worked in real life when you can simply invoke magic?

That has always puzzled me too. Of necessity, the flood story includes at least two supernatural acts of magic - God "making" the flood happen; and God "making" all the animals march up to the ark from all over the world in pairs. There is no doubt that those two things are both acts of Godly magic - there's no natural mechanism - God decided to do them, and supernaturally made them happen. Magic is absolutely and unavoidably needed for key parts of the flood story.

If you accept the magic there, why not simply say the whole thing was magic ?

Edited by vimesey, : Typo


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vimesey
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Message 183 of 1311 (808517)
05-11-2017 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by CRR
05-11-2017 7:29 AM


Should Christians just cave in and admit that Genesis is a myth?

I know you have said that reference to this sentence is quote mining, and I'm not trying to misrepresent your position by quoting it myself. But it does raise an important point for me.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem with someone believing that the Genesis story/flood story/other OT stories are correct, and that science must in some manner have it wrong. That's your right.

I also don't have trouble with children being taught those beliefs in Sunday school, or through other Church/Mosque/Temple routes, or through family upbringing. Again, for me, choosing to bring up your own children in your own faith is a matter for you (unless you try to train them to harm other people, of course).

Where I do get shirty, (not a typo - it's an English expression, meaning annoyed), is where people try to teach religion to children in schools and call it science; or try to alter or undermine science to add weight to their beliefs. The pursuit of knowledge and advancement is way too important to our future to endanger it in this or any other fashion.

Believe elements of science are wrong - that's your right, and I defend it - but not at the expense of undermining the incredible importance of maintaining the integrity of science.


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vimesey
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Message 266 of 1311 (809656)
05-20-2017 1:20 AM
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05-19-2017 8:16 PM


he's a big Pitbull and he bites strangers!

I'd be careful then - it seems likely you'd be guilty of offences under the Domestic Animals Act 1994.


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Message 352 of 1311 (810041)
05-23-2017 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by Faith
05-23-2017 1:49 AM


Re: You don't get to define science for YECs
The thing is, you can't demonstrate that it is a known fact to me or anyone else that doesn't share your faith. That's why it's not scientific.

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Message 721 of 1311 (814613)
07-11-2017 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 720 by Dredge
07-11-2017 7:31 AM


Re: Interesting question...
the theory that all life shares a common ancestor (ie, evolution)

That is not the theory of evolution. As you have been told many, many times before.


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