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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes:
I'm not the slightest bit surprised.
I've looked into this and cannot find any references that says it was used in making the vaccine. What I did find was that it was useful in understating how these diseases originated and were spread - because of the genetic similarity between humans and apes and pigs.
"because of the genetic similarity between humans and apes and pigs" - not because of any theory about common descent. In other words, common descent is irrelevant and is actually of no practical use to anyone.
This similarity is due to descent from a common ancestor.
This is just Darwinist rhetoric. I could offer the explanation that the similarity is due to all life being created by the same Creator, who used the same "building blocks" in all life forms. But my Creationist model doesn't assist or advance applied science - and neither does your Darwinist model of common descent.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Darwinists claim antibiotic resistance is an example of evolution. creationist misconceptions of evolution ... Observations of natural selection is used as evidence for common ancestoryAntibiotic resistance is nothing more than natural selection. Common ancestry is evolution. ... Therefore Darwinists use natural selection as evidence for common descent.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Regardless of anything in your post, you haven't provided any proof that accepting the theory of common descent was helpful in developing the relevant vaccines (ditto for any vaccine).
Common descent is an irrelevance to applied biology, why don 't you just admit it and stop beating about the bush?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Exactly! Darwinists vehmently insist that their beloved theory of common descent is vital to biology and that it is eminently useful in applied science, but when one examines their claims, one finds them spurious and empty. It's all bluff and hot air. These poor souls are so indoctrinated by the Darwinist cult that they have trouble thinking any other way.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RADZ writes: prqctical use of common descent ... Talk Origins Claim CA215 Thank you for supplying this article. I will add it to my collection as it represents a classical example of mendacious Darwinist propaganda. Allow me to point out the b.s. contained therein, as you obviously can't see it: Firstly, you can bet your bottom dollar that whenever "Evolutionary theory" is mentioned, 99.99% of the time it is referring to principles and facts of biology that are readily confirmed by observation or repeatable experiments - such as natural selection, variation, recombination, genetic drift, etc, etc. None of these things are denied by creationists and are demonstrable realities ... whether one accepts common descent as a fact or not. Of course, Darwinists like to misleadingly label said demonstrable principles and facts as "evolutionary", hoping that the uncritical and gullible amongst us will associate them with "real" evolution - ie, common descent. But not all of us are that easily fooled - if a relatively uneducated bozo like Dredge can see through this sham, what's your excuse? Secondly, when it says, "the evolutionary principle of common descent has proven its usefulness", this is really Darwinist-speak for, "the fact of genetic similarities between different organisms has proven its usefulness." This is explained by the fact thatDarwinists consider that there can be no other possible explanation for genetic similarities between organisms other than common descent. So when they see said genetic similarities, they see common descent. This false equivalence is a form of intellectual alchemy, but is de rigueur in evolutionary "science". By the way, to claim that common descent is the only possible explanation for genetic similarities between organisms is flawed thinking and at the very least represents a Fallacy of the False Alternative - in other words, it's junk science. So the bottom line is, it's the genetic similarities between organisms that have proven useful, and not accepting common descent as a fact. The theory of common descent is a complete irrelevance to applied science. P.S. I notice Talk Origins is pushing that old myth about HIVcoming from monkeys in Africa. So scientific! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Faith writes:
Excellent point, Faith. I'm sure we've lost a lot of functionality due to the effects of Original Sin, and we probably tend to under-estimate such losses. Junk DNA makes perfect scientific sense in the Biblical-creationist paradigm. junk in the genome fits with the Fall Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Talk Origins = Talk Atheist Theology = Talk Satanic Fairy Tale
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Tangle writes:
Moot point. Why did God create spiders with eight legs ... the sky blue ... grass green ... jelly fish ... flies? Why did he give Dredge super-intelligence and movie-star looks? Not understanding why the Creator created as he did is not a persuasive argument against it happening. except to ask why he'd do such a thing Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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aristotle writes:
The dogma, arrogance and indoctrination of Darwinism reminds me of what you find in the worst kind of cults .. and some religions. Darwinism is like the Taliban of science.
Anyone who says different is immediately labelled "ignorant", reminds me a lot of religion.'Punctuated Equilibrium' is a ludicrous theory invented by evolutionists to try explain away the trend of saltation in the fossil record ... According to evolution by natural selection, saltations are impossible, an organism must evolve one genetic variation at a time. I like the way you think, aristotle! ... most of the time, anyway : ) PE is a joke. It is accepted only by folks whose definition of "science" is wide and loose enough to include pseudo-scientific nonsense and intellectual superstition. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes:
Hence, Darwinists can justify claiming antibiotic resistance is "evolution", which requires no increase in genetic information. Evolution occurs whether information is added or notThis is a different sort of "evolution" to a human descending from a bug, which entails massive increases in functional complexity and therefore massive increases in genetic information. So there are actually two kinds of "evolution" ... but Darwinists will tell you, No, there is only one kind of evolution.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
CRR ... "Talk Origins. I wouldn't worry about anything from that discredited atheist web site."
dwise1 writes:
I would bet my bottom dollar that 99% of the authors at Talk Origins are atheists.
"atheist"? Wherever do you get that idea from? I cannot recall ever seeing atheism being presented or promoted on it. What are you talking about?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
aristotle writes:
Good question. Nevertheless, "speciation" is a another of those misleading terms that Darwinists love to employ; it's meant to convey the idea that it is a demonstrable fact that one species evolves from another species, in which case, a whale can evolve from a racoon. How can you say that speciation occurs, if you don't even know what the word 'species' means? Green Warblers "speciate", for example, but they are all still Green Warblers. What this has to do with enabling a whale to descend from a racoon is something that only the wonderful mind of a Darwinist can comprehend. Accepting such "science" evidently requires a special intellectual talent ... which I fortunately lack. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Nonsense. Catholics aren't "told" to believe anything about evolution. As a Catholic, I am free to believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and completely reject ToE. And I said that he could indeed and that was exactly what Catholics are told to believe. You seem to be confusing what Catholics are officially obliged to believe with what Catholics are free to believe. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
Evolution claims that since humans and chimps are so genetically similar, they must share a common ancestor. But a Creator could have created these two creatures as close-but-different simply because he wanted to. Choose whichever theory appeals to you.
If creationism is true, why would we expect to see a nested hierarchy? Out of all the trillions of possible combinations of features and DNA, why pick the one pattern that evolution would produce?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes:
No and no. But genetic informaton is a logical concept that I expect science will verify as an irrefutable fact one day. Then you won't be able to dismiss it as creationist pseudoscience. You will then also have to reconcile the existence of two kinds of evolution - one that doesn't require an increase in information and one that does ... which Darwinists have long claimed is one and the same thing. Dredge begs to differ. Can you define "genetic information" and then show this to be the case? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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