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Author Topic:   Will Trump fail to build "The Wall" if all 7 border Republican Reps oppose funding?
marc9000
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Message 6 of 53 (807154)
05-01-2017 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
04-30-2017 10:18 PM


Trump started his presidency with a nation strongly opposed to his immigration policy (upwards of 80% support a pathway to citizenship as opposed to deportation while exit polls showed that 54% of American voters opposed The Wall)

I don't know where you get this stuff from, if it were anywhere near true, Trump wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the presidency.


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marc9000
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Message 15 of 53 (807241)
05-01-2017 4:59 PM
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05-01-2017 8:21 AM


Re: Two separate political worlds
American politics these days, and perhaps European as well, seems to be divided into two entirely separated spheres that have little or no communication between them.

Agreed - "these days" is the key phrase. U.S. politics has always been divided. 50 years ago, 1967, there was a LOT of political unrest in the U.S. The difference was, most in the Democrat party had at least some morality. For one simple reason, militant atheism wasn't the main motivation of it like it is today. That's what the problem is today, the promotion of atheism, and the use of science to establish it in young people.

What I see written here belongs to some other dimension entirely than the one I live in. I can certainly see the effect of this dimension in the disruptive work of the enemies of Trump as they labor to interfere with everything he tries to do, unfortunately succeeding in many cases, but in my dimension his popularity remains high and his successes are overall adding up.

I'm afraid it's the equivalent of about.....1850 all over again. Who knows how it will turn out. I'm glad I'm not any younger.

Concerning the Wall, since for some strange reason this is opposed by a lot of Democrats and Republicans both,

I think there's a lot of difference between what special interests want concerning the wall, versus what the general public wants. Even some Republican special interests are opposed to it because they want the increase in cheap labor that illegal immigration brings. Democrat special interests don't want it because they see illegal immigrants voting Democrat. The entire illegal drug industry doesn't want it of course, that probably crosses party lines in some respects. The news media doesn't want it because their hatred for Trump far outweighs any desire they have for improvements in U.S. society. There are probably other special interests that think they benefit from illegal immigration in some way, but the above that I mentioned alone are capable of rigging poll questions, and misleading people in other ways about what the general public wants concerning the wall. I think that was the one main issue that got Trump elected. Most Republican voters easily see what illegal immigration can do to poison a society. Even some Democrat voters on government handout programs have enough sense to see that illegal immigration cause more competition for their free stuff. Yes, even some (not all) Democrat voters know that there's a limit to free stuff, that it has to be produced by someone.

there has been a proposal to fund it by Trump supporters themselves. Heard this on a conservative radio talk show recently.

Trump's big campaign promise was that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. I understand how a majority today doesn't want any U.S. funding to go for it.

What do you think of the El Chapo Act?

What I'd like to know is, where is that money right now? Does the U.S. government have it? Does Mexico have it? Is it spent already? If so, what will it be spent on? I'd expect these answers to be on the news, prominently. But with today's news, fat chance.


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marc9000
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Message 16 of 53 (807242)
05-01-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
05-01-2017 3:26 PM


It is a gross mistake, in my opinion, to assume that any particular one of Trump's policies is popular just because a little less than half of the voters picked him to be president.

Further, there are the folks who voted against Trump. If we take the hard line that the wall was what folks voted on, then we would conclude that a little over half of American voters did oppose the wall.

You seem to have an equal amount of respect for ALL voters, as if you favor mob rule. That's not how the U.S. works. (yet)

Do you wonder if ~I~ have less respect for inner city mobs who are herded like cattle to voting places, and told to vote for Democrats so they'll get more free stuff? Or for the California voters, the ONLY ones who tipped the scales so that a slight majority voted against Trump? If you're not sure, just ask!

With regard to the popularity of a "pathway to citizenship", you can find information about that yourself. No need to rely on LamarkNewAge. The polls I have seen suggest that the majority of Republicans support a 'pathway to citizenship'

Republican special interests, not Republican voters. Trump didn't campaign at all on "pathways to citizenship". Republican special interests have ways of skewing polls, especially with a rabid anti-Trump news media to help them.


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marc9000
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Message 21 of 53 (807250)
05-01-2017 7:05 PM
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05-01-2017 6:28 PM


Given that the question is about Trump being elected, something that is based on voters only,

"Voters only", not the electoral college?

I will point out that your disrespect for some voters is irrelevant.

The process of the electoral college can be even worse than me, when it comes to disregarding mob votes.

Wrong again. The polls are about what voters think. The polls I cited where from "The Hill". I don't expect you to accept that; you can do your own research to figure out where the general opinion lies. At least you might do that if you weren't just citing your own opinion.

The general opinion was decided last November. The Constitution makes no statement about polls. I'm glad the election wasn't decided on polls, or Hillary would have won by a landslide.


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