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Author Topic:   Y.E.C. Model: Was there rapid evolution and speciation post flood?
ringo
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Message 431 of 518 (823040)
11-05-2017 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by starman
11-05-2017 2:38 AM


starman writes:

That means evolving was fast in the former nature.


I find it interesting [translate: hilarious] that creationists use ultra-fast evolution to try to disprove evolution. You might as well try to argue that bumble bees can only fly supersonically.

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Message 453 of 518 (823118)
11-06-2017 10:54 AM
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11-05-2017 4:24 PM


starman writes:

We need a reason to think the forces and laws that govern the atoms that make up cells and determine how things exist on earth was the same, if we intend to build all models on the assumption it was.


But we DO know how evolution used to happen. We know how it happens today, we know how it happened last week, we know how it happened before your fictitious Flood and we know how it happened before your fictitious Creation. You're the one who doesn't know, but apparently you're gullible enough to swallow the lies that creationists tell you.

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ringo
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Message 482 of 518 (823276)
11-08-2017 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by starman
11-06-2017 1:18 PM


starman writes:

If so, then show us how you know it happened slow and just as it now does?? Let's see the goods.


Read the thread. Read the hundreds of other threads on this forum. The goods are there if you're not wilfully ignorant.

starman writes:

Paaleeese tell us you are not going to play that religious game of saying 'gee, we must have evolved the same, because the nature was the same'!


I didn't say anything of the kind. Why are you trying to change the subject?

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Message 487 of 518 (823342)
11-09-2017 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by starman
11-09-2017 12:21 PM


starman writes:

Maybe cite a post that shows evolution was the same as now? I wasn't born yesterday.


As I mentioned in another thread, you have it backwards. If you want to claim that something has changed, YOU have to show evidence that it did. If France was there yesterday, we don't have to show that it's still there today. YOU have to show that it isn't.

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Message 505 of 518 (823432)
11-10-2017 10:42 AM
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11-09-2017 3:33 PM


starman writes:

I do not have to believe the bible is wrong....


Nobody cares what you believe. Your beliefs don't make fairy tales come true. We're not trying to convince YOU of anything. We're just here to make sure your nonsense doesn't go unchallenged. Anybody who comes here willing to accept the truth will be spared from creationist lies. Ignorance is curable. You can either accept the cure or not.

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Message 513 of 518 (823448)
11-10-2017 12:05 PM
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11-10-2017 11:57 AM


starman writes:

Except whining does not challenge anything I say at all.


All we have to do to challenge what you say is point out that there is no evidence for what you say. If you claim that processes have changed, you have to show evidence that they have changed and you have to show the mechanism for the change. You have not done that. You have not even tried to do that. You haven't even shown that you understand that you need to do that. You're just repeating the same old same old empty claims. If YOU want to convince anybody that there is any substance to your claims. YOU are the one who has to put up.

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ringo
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Message 516 of 518 (823456)
11-10-2017 12:18 PM
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11-10-2017 12:15 PM


starman writes:

What I say is that you have no evidence for a same state past that is your basis for models.


But we do. If you understood the thread, you'd know that.

starman writes:

I am suspending EVC from my posts for a few weeks or maybe forever, we'll see.


Thanks. We appreciate it.

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