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Y.E.C. Model: Was there rapid evolution and speciation post flood?

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Message 151 of 518 (808832)
05-13-2017 2:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 149 by Tangle
05-13-2017 2:12 PM

Re: The YEC model requires beneficial mutations and strong positive selection.
She can't, Adam and Eve didn't have parents to donate the extra alleles :-)

(Insert miracle here)

That reminds me of something I have always wondered, did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

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Message 196 of 518 (809038)
05-15-2017 3:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
05-15-2017 3:06 PM

Re: The YEC model requires beneficial mutations and strong positive selection.
How can you get from your assumed two alleles to over a hundred without mutation

By realizing that they are mutations, most of which are neutral, not genuine alleles.

"Not genuine alleles?" That could be the title of your textbook.

The idea that any trait needs hundreds of alleles is in itself ludicrous.

Good catch, we'll let the genomes know right away.

You get enormous variation with only two per gene, with a few genes per trait.

How big is enormous? We must get an enormity of enormous variation when we have hundreds of identifiable alleles for many genes.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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05-15-2017 3:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
05-15-2017 3:25 PM

Re: The YEC model requires beneficial mutations and strong positive selection.
If there are seven genes for skin color with two alleles each and you can get sixteen shades from only two, extra alleles are not needed.

Well, evolution and mutation do not operate on what is needed. You should know that after all this time arguing about it.

The extra alleles are there whether they are "needed" or not. Mutations just keep on happening in every generation and occasionally they create new alleles. If they are not lethal or do not damage fecundity they are passed on and accumulate in the population.

This has been documented more and more precisely as our methods of genetic mapping have improved.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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05-15-2017 7:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
05-15-2017 6:36 PM

Re: The YEC model requires beneficial mutations and strong positive selection.
What an inefficient system.

Yep, isn't it cool! It accounts for the variety of all life on the planet, amazing!

The true system is neat and tidy and efficient, does not rely on chance for anything

Right, so no extinctions allowed.

The ToE has you all fiddling while Rome burns.

Yep, we are playing "Stairway to Heaven" or is that "Dream On"?

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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05-16-2017 1:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 201 by Faith
05-16-2017 12:56 AM

Re: The YEC model requires beneficial mutations and strong positive selection.
Why are you joining this thread now?

Had a little extra time and I could see you are completely misunderstanding genetics so I thought I'd pop in and help.

You obviously have no idea of what I've ever said or argued here.

I understand all your mistakes....mainly not a shred of evidence and absolute ignorance when it comes to genetics, evolution, and.biology.

obviously having no idea what my argument was about.

It isn't that complicated, plus it is incorrect.

You don't understand enough to inspire me to correct you.

My failure to inspire you is sad, but yes, it it probably best not to embarrass yourself.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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