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Author Topic:   Encouragement From A Believers Perspective
New Cat's Eye
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Message 32 of 37 (820683)
09-25-2017 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Tangle
09-23-2017 3:40 PM

Re: Primitive Beliefs
What I'm saying is that people are dropping their primitive beliefs all across the modern world. They're doing it quite naturally and without anyone forcing them. It's just part of how our societies are advancing, by accumulating real knowledge of the world and abandoning false and superstitious explanations.

If you model spiritual development with the growth of an individual human, this would put the modern world in their angsty teen years.

I think the modern world will continue to grow and people will realize they shouldn't completely turn their back on spirituality. Once they find the value, they'll start looking into what other/older people have tried to tell us about it all.

I don't know how to start to answer that - it seems pretty important to know what is real and what is imaginary doesn't it?

Meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's a point where seeming real is real enough - and then it doesn't really matter if it is imagined or not.

Like, I don't care if we're really in the Matrix - it's real enough for practical purposes.

Primitive refers to something at a very early stage of development. The ancient beliefs like Christianity are the beginnings of mankind's attempts to understand the world around them and think about meaning. To do it they made up children's stories around the campfires. We've moved on, we don't need the silly stories any more.

At face value, the myths do appear childish and unnecessary. But I don't think they're actually that early in their stage of development. The problem is that spirituality is awfully short on data and it's hard to make sense of it. Still though, there are rewards and value in it and when people realize that then they aren't going to be discouraged by the difficulty anymore. With the desire to search and learn, you can realize that those old childish stories to have some good wisdom buried within them. That's why they're not worth just tossing out.

Edited by New Cat's Eye, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 34 of 37 (820691)
09-25-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Tangle
09-25-2017 11:20 AM

Re: Primitive Beliefs
A toddler at very best. The enlightenment was only 400 years ago.

At the toddler stage you just believe what you're told. Its the teenage stage that you think you know better and reject everything. Then when you start getting into adulthood you realize that the stuff you rejected does have value.

Maybe, but it's more likely to be inward looking examining consciousness and feeling...

Well that's where I found my spirituality.

...rather than outwards to fictional gods.

In there I found a being that was distinct and separate from my self - I'll be calling it God, but I don't really know what it was.

Maybe I did imagine it, but it doesn't seem like it, and it does seem real. Real enough to be convincing. Real enough for all intents and purposes.

The benefits I've received from it makes me not really care if it's really real or not.

There's stacks of wisdom in the biblical stories - some of them at least, but it's got nothing to do with god.

Often times yes, but sometimes no. This week's church lesson that my Luthern friend shared with me yesterday was on Matt 20:

Matthew 20 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

When I first found God I thought He was gonna pissed at me for turning my back on Him for so long. That couldn't have been farther from what I actually experienced - I felt open arms and a desire to provide help.

I did think that it was kind of odd that it was as if I had never been gone - and if people like my mother who have been devout their whole lives are getting the same deal then that did feel kind of unfair.

But as the story eludes to: It's God's "money" and he can do with it as He wants - and it's not unfair for Him to be generous even though other people accepted a different deal.

I also like how these old stories still ring a bell today - a company deciding to provide a better wage to unskilled workers is not unfair to the skilled workers who agreed to the wages they previously accepted.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 37 (820699)
09-25-2017 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Tangle
09-25-2017 12:32 PM

Re: Primitive Beliefs
Let's face it, your a Buddhist with Christian tendancies.

I'm willing to consider it, but I don't know and it'd take some convincing.

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