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Author Topic:   What is Creationism?
ringo
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Message 10 of 88 (808992)
05-15-2017 11:52 AM


I would say that for a creationist, the Creator supersedes any aspect of reality. At one end of the spectrum you have creationists who reject reality entirely if it disagrees with their religion. At the other end you have creationists who accept science but insist that God did it.

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Message 13 of 88 (808998)
05-15-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
05-15-2017 12:07 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Phat writes:

Would you thus argue that creative thought is itself no evidence of a Creator apart from yourself?


Why would creative thought be evidence of a creator any more than any other human trait? Why wouldn't you tout greed or jealousy as evidence of a creator?

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Message 18 of 88 (809006)
05-15-2017 12:43 PM
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05-15-2017 12:32 PM


Re: Source vs Content
New Cat's Eye writes:

For me, creativity requires submission to a source that is not my self.

You gotta find that muse, and then let it speak to you.

It feels foreign.


I would agree that you have to listen to the "muse" but I don't see it as something outside myself. It's more like listening to my body telling me whether it wants vegetables or ice cream.

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Message 19 of 88 (809007)
05-15-2017 12:45 PM
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05-15-2017 12:33 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Phat writes:

Does a Creator by definition require evidence or can it be a philosophical belief?


By definition? A creator practically flies in the face of evidence.

Phat writes:

I would argue that life itself requires more than cosmological evolution.


You'd be arguing against the evidence. That would put you toward the denial end of the creationist spectrum.

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Message 68 of 88 (810084)
05-23-2017 11:36 AM
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05-22-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Phat writes:

Rational belief counts also.


"Rational belief" is an oxymoron.

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Message 72 of 88 (810090)
05-23-2017 11:55 AM
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05-23-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Source vs Content
Phat writes:

If you expect every question to eventually be answered by evidence, you will be waiting for an eternity.


Yes, if you want a good answer, it may take a while. But if you want just any old bad answer, I can give you six off the top of my head.

Phat writes:

The only difference between you and I is that I decided to believe and you decided it was unproductive and unsatisfying.


Yes, I find random bad answers unsatisfying. (By the way, "random bad answers" would be a good definition for creationism.)

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