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Tanypteryx
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Message 14 of 88 (809000)
05-15-2017 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
05-15-2017 11:52 AM


At the other end you have creationists who accept science but insist that God did it.

Within this group are the bunch who continuously redefine science and claim that whole branches of science are religion.

A fairly large number of the creationists we encounter at EvC insist that evolutionary biologists are all atheists and make erroneous claims about evolution and the theory of evolution.

Creationism seems to consist, in large part, in attacks on strawman versions of evolution and attempts to force unevidenced versions of biblical creationism into public schools, especially into science classes.

The intelligent design bunch are creationists who have tried to add in the idea that some life processes are too complex to have evolved. When you actually see what they are writing it is clear that it's plain old creationism with a few new sciencey sounding magical concepts carefully arranged to try and fool the courts into letting them teach it in public school science classes.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 57 of 88 (809963)
05-22-2017 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by dwise1
05-22-2017 4:24 AM


Basically, "creationism" has become anti-evolution.

I think I would say anti-evolution and anti-geology, but yes definitely anti-evolution.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 63 of 88 (810005)
05-22-2017 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by CRR
05-22-2017 7:25 PM


Re: Young Earth Creationism
One significant difference between YEC and theistic evolution, and many other points of view, is that
YEC believe in descent with modification while others believe in ascent with modification as the general rule.

Well, I cannot tell who you mean by "many other points of view" and "while 'others' believe in ascent with modification"

Are the "others" you are talking about here those of us who are disputing what you have to say about evolution?

If so, then you are incorrect about us and incorrect about what we are saying about our view of evolution.

Others believe that the cat family came from a non-cat ancestor, ultimately the same microbial ancestor as all other creatures, with production of much new genetic information, features, and body plans.

The evidence leads us to conclude that cats are descended from a Carnivore common ancestor and a Mammalian common ancestor, and a vertebrate common ancestor, and on back to some Animalia common ancestor. Carnivore Phylogeny

None of this is based on beliefs, but rather evidence.

Belief in the "production of new genetic information" completely belongs to creationists.

CRR writes:

This is why examples of adaptation and speciation are of no particular concern to us.

New species? So what?
Cit+ trait in E. Coli? Meh.
Finch beaks changing size? Ho hum.
Trinidad guppies? Yawn.
London Underground Mosquito? So?

OK, but what are you doing here then? You just popped in to tell us how bored you are about evolutionary biology?

Thanks, good to know.


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Message 66 of 88 (810023)
05-22-2017 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by herebedragons
05-22-2017 8:57 PM


Re: Young Earth Creationism
Crocoduck? Now THAT would get my attention!!!!!

At least it doesn't have 4 legs, that would be the work of Satan.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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