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Coyote
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Message 32 of 88 (809126)
05-16-2017 11:34 AM


Creationist Scientific Method
From the Sensuous Curmudgeon:

Creationist Scientific Method:

1. Select a conclusion which you hope is true.
2. Find one piece of evidence that possibly might fit.
3. Ignore all other evidence.
4. That’s it.

https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/...proves-the-flood


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 45 of 88 (809388)
05-18-2017 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by CRR
05-18-2017 9:29 AM


Dating (again)
While old earth evolutionists do have some good arguments I also think there are a lot of weaknesses in their position and overall the YEC position holds up well.

How do you get around the dating problem?

RAZD has several threads illustrating the correlation among different dating methods, and they all point to an old earth.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 64 of 88 (810009)
05-22-2017 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by CRR
05-22-2017 7:25 PM


Re: Young Earth Creationism
Take cats for example. YEC believe there was an original Cat Kind which has diversified into the many different cats we see today, from tabby to tiger, generally by loss of genetic information as each adapted to different environments.

All of that diversification in the short time after the flood and before Greeks and others started observing natural history?

That's got to be 1) faster evolution than any scientist has ever proposed, and 2) an amazing screeching halt to the diversification when folks started looking.

And as I asked back in Message 45 how do you address the dating problem? How do you compress all of these changes into what can't be more than two thousand years?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 71 of 88 (810088)
05-23-2017 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
05-23-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Source vs Content
The only difference between you and I is that I decided to believe and you decided it was unproductive and unsatisfying.

I believe that science and evidence will not be enough to carry our species, while you evidently think that it is all we have. You have essentially given up on belief.

The problem with belief is which belief? And how do you decide?

A google search shows there are about 4,200 religions in the world today.

It also shows there are upwards of 40,000 Christian denominations in the world today.

Without evidence, how can anyone decide which (if any) of these is the "true" one?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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