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Author Topic:   Can mutation and selection increase information?
NoNukes
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Message 77 of 222 (815967)
07-27-2017 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Vlad
07-27-2017 5:17 AM


Re: Can mutation and selection increase information?
With a single phrase “Words don’t reproduce” New Cat’s Eye has tossed all the population genetics in the garbage (its proper place, too). Attaboy!

Apparently, Mr. Impaler, you just don't get it. Population genetics relates to the theory of evolution because of the imperfect copying that occurs during reproduction. Noting that "words don't reproduce" is a completely valid point, although I might have made an argument that there is a version of "mis-hearing and copying" that might be analogous to evolution. Of course, someone else could point out the limits that must be observed when arguing by analogy.

I suspect though that you "aren't getting it" on purpose. Perhaps you should spend some time reading and learning.

Say, 7-fold chance mutation +counter would settle the problem, yet what are the chances for such a lucky occurrence to happen?

What if most of those mutations produced an enhancement that improved fitness, and it was not a requirement that they happened simultaneously. What if evolution occurred over billions of years. What if evolution had no goal, and we were not falling into the Sharpshooter fallacy? What if creationists were, with relatively few exceptions, completely ignorant about the theory they despised.

If all of that were the case, we might well begin to understand your posts, case 3.5.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 107 of 222 (816253)
08-01-2017 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Vlad
07-28-2017 5:16 AM


Re: Can mutation and selection increase information?
Apparently, NoNukes so far didn’t grasp the textbook basics. What did fitness get to do with probabilities of this or that mutation? True Darwinists tend to slip down to Lamarckism – without fail

Apparently, I am discussing biology with someone who cannot read. Mutations are indeed random with respect to fitness. But the actual fitness testing is a function of the environment in which the organisms reproduce and live. The relative survival of phenotypes is not random, but is instead strongly influenced by whether an organism or a population of organisms have the necessary equipment for survival.

Now whether or not your pompous ass agrees with that statement, it is clear that:

1) My statement above is not about Lamarckian inheritance. Nobody is saying that cold weather produces fur, only that animals with fur may have a survival advantage.
2) you don't understand what people here are saying. Perhaps the reason is something other than reading ability or cognitive dissonance, but for now, I am going with those possibilities.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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NoNukes
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Message 179 of 222 (818253)
08-25-2017 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Percy
08-25-2017 12:48 PM


Re: random and non-random mutations
n which case it isn't a pruning process but a process that decides which offspring survive to reproduce and which don't.

How is a process of deciding who survives to reproduce not a pruning process?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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