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Message 4 of 56 (809676)
05-20-2017 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
05-18-2017 3:05 PM


Inbreeding is not evolution
How many times do I have to tell you desperate evolutionists, inbreeding of dogs is not evolution nor proof of evolution.

Its such a lie, either you are so desperate for some kind of proof, that you post and repost this lie. Either you do it intentionally for deceit or unintentionally because you dont know genetics or science.

Either way its a lie.

All dogs are still dogs, they are still the same KIND, and no system changes.

Color size, inbreed qualities, and inbreed defiencies and weaknesses remain within the breed. Breeds are still dogs, manipulated in breed dogs by humans, is not a proof of evolution.

How stupid to post such a diagram.... how desperate.

INBREEDING is not evolution.... color change is not evolution,

There are no flow charts in evolution, no transition species, its all a con....

Look again at the diagram, look at their desperation in trying to find some evidence for their theory. Ridiculous and a total con and LIE.


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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Message 6 of 56 (809684)
05-20-2017 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Adequate
05-20-2017 10:29 AM


Re: Inbreeding is not evolution
Evolutionists are inadequate mentally and can only respond with a dumb uneducated attempt at mockery, as they have no answers, and must try to back up their preachers inbreeding graph...

Genetic students in first year biology absolutely know that inbreeding is not a proof of evolution. It is isolating, for breeding purposes to bring out a specific trait. It usually makes the dog breed weaker in some ways, and less healthy.

Mutes or cross breeding or mixed breeding as in a healthy human racial loving society brings out the best in humanity both mentally spiritually and physically.

Evolutionists inbreed too much in their congregations and in their forced indocrinations to their children....


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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Message 8 of 56 (809700)
05-20-2017 11:28 AM
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05-20-2017 10:53 AM


Re: BREAKING NEWS, the ancestors of humans are Hominoidea's
Raz says through his posted graph that humans came from
( http://www.evcforum.net/Messages.php?control=replynew&m=8... Message 328 )

Humans came from Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

I win, evolutionist is such a lie and so bogus, to be almsot laughable if it wasnt taken so seriously by the evolutionists.

Its just semantics brethren and non brethren, just word manipulation and spelling...

Read it again and marvel, that evolutionists actually believe our ancestors followed this spelling lineage......

Humans ancestor was Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

More concisely put in a flow chart for clarity

Human-Homininae-Hominidae-Hominoidae-Hominoidea....

There it is BREAKING NEWS, we humans evolved from Hominoidea's 20 million years ago..... our ancestors are hominoidea's..

I say our ancestors were humans, the same as us.

Evolutionists say different, you choose your ancestor, and see if spelling is the defining factor or whether truth and science and common sense prevails.


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Message 12 of 56 (810310)
05-27-2017 6:44 PM


Please prove that dog breeds is a proof of evolution. Please show which breed is not a dog ..

As mentioned, and as any low level genetic student knows..... inbreeding does not make cats out of dogs, and dogs remain dogs as in the deceptive diagram that started this thread.

Its a deception, an untruth or if you like a LIE.

All the breeds of dogs depicted in the artists work, are still dogs. They have not evolved into a new species or KIND. They are inbreed dogs who their handlers have selected to inbreed with one another so that certain qualities can come out, but they remain dogs... just a new breed....a weakened breed but a new breed.

Come on face it, be real scientists, be honest..... inbreeding is not a proof of evolution.

Cotcha again.... in a L**.

I hate to use that word as the evolutionists use it way too much, but in this case, its needs to be stated.

Inbreeding is not a sign of evolution and not a proof of evolution.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 15 of 56 (810346)
05-28-2017 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Tangle
05-28-2017 8:10 AM


Re: Delete your dog graphics
Razz, just delete your dog graphics and change your wording so as not to deceive READERS who would think that dog inbreeding is a proof of evolution.

Dog variation indeed shows how much phenotypes can vary within a species and still remain a species. Dog variation is achieved through artificial (man-made) selection, but it can show us what is possible in nature when we look at the evolution of species. We can use the variation observed in dogs as a metric for how much can occur within a species, and then look at the difference between species to see if that shows more or less variation than seen in dogs.

You cant magically mystically make such an outrageous claim using inbreeding as your basis. Thats unscientific and bogus. Prove it...

All the dogs remain dogs, and yet you claim that humans came from apes, and then according to your dog analogy, means that apes and us are the same.

Ridiculous and DESPERATE...

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 17 of 56 (810360)
05-28-2017 10:14 AM
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05-28-2017 9:57 AM


Re: Delete your dog graphics
Youre getting more and more desperate all the time, and even trickier all the time Razz.

Except that nobody that actually reads what is said about them is deceived. It seems only you have a problem understanding what the graphic is used for -- the extent of variability possible via selection within a species.

Notice how Razz uses the word 'possible', as all things are possible via luck and chance and inbreeding says Razz....

Not inbreeding but artificial selection, picking traits to preserve, and cross-breeding to develop new mixtures of existing traits. That inbreeding occurs in order to maintain stasis in a "purebred" population is not an issue for what selection can accomplish because we can see what it has accomplished: the evidence is right there in plain sight.

The same can be said for all the breeds of cows, sheep, horses, pigs, cats, etc etc etc.

Inbreeding is inbreeding, man made selection to bring out strengths and weaknesses within a species. Stop the denials Razz, different dog breeds are still dogs, they dont turn into cows as you hope and pray your evolutionary god did. Inbreeding is not a proof of evolution and you can not mystically jump the GAP and say evolution did... crazy and desperate Razz

Not the 'same' (not identical) per se, but not much more different than breeds of dogs differ: can you point to a difference between chimps and humans that is not like a difference between breeds?

We ARE apes and we, and all other apes, ARE primates,. Even Linnaeus classified humans as primates.

So it remains ...

Maybe you are, at least in your mind... but Im a human who came from my ancestry called humans. But thanks again for showing your desperation...

Not the same is semantics, and you know it..... back to word twisting Razz...as that is all evolution has as proofs.

'But not much more different" there it is again folks and brethren. Razz thinks a comparison, of not much more different will seduce you into thinking evolution must have magically jumped the gap and made a new species.... when different dog breeds are still dogs.... different cat breeds are still cats.

Evolutionists are such l****, or delusionalists, and so desperate to try and prove their delusions and artists conceptions....

Its just made up graphs and graphics and composed semantics READERS....

Forget evolution its a L** and a con.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 19 of 56 (810363)
05-28-2017 10:31 AM
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05-28-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Delete your dog graphics
C******* are dogs, lets face it..... and people called c****** are also not amusing, and add nothing to the topic, or the discussion or the research thread.

Censored.......

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 23 of 56 (810408)
05-29-2017 10:36 AM
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05-29-2017 8:41 AM


Re: dogs are still dogs is the point ...
Using the excuse of variation or variety within a species or biblical KIND is not proof of evolution. It is a cop out and a desperate ploy to try and show evidence where no evidence exists.

Going from genetic recombination variety as dictated and approved by, by the Lord of Creation is NOT EVOLUTION. Inbreeding is not evolution, its a horrible desperate leap from genetic combinations to evolutionary newness and diversity of life and branching.

And as has been proven, branching dictates that evolution is a racist doctrine.

Dogs are not proof that cats came into existence. Dogs create dogs, all sorts of dogs.

Genetics 101..... or common sense.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 25 of 56 (810427)
05-29-2017 11:24 AM
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05-29-2017 10:45 AM


Re:Stop using the L word
Please dont use my name in your topic and call me a liar.

In your thesis, say David Jay Jordan has not proven to evolutionists that they are mistaken, and that they refuse to admit they have made a great mistake in assuming dogs created new different species called variant dogs, that variated from the original dogs in superficial ways. Say it is untrue, but not the deflamatory...Lie word, that would suggest you want DJJ banned because you keep losing arguments with him, and cant convince him to be an evolutionist. Neither can he convince you to drop the dog graphs that branch out, not convine you to be intelligent designers.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Davidjay 
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Message 27 of 56 (810456)
05-29-2017 7:08 PM
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05-29-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Stop lying Davidjay.
Jar stop callng me a liar, you would never ever do it in person. So dont do it online. Stop posting enflamatory statements just because you want to accuse me of misrepresenting you and your beloved doctrine. Just defend your words and ideas, rather than all the false accussations of misrepresentation.

So stop labeling your titles "Stop lying DavidJay'.

Its subjective rather tyhan objective.

You could say 'Creationism is a lie', not the 'Creator is a liar'..... learn to have class not the lack of class.

Now back to the title and topic of dogs and humans.

Inbreeding of dogs into varieties is not a proof of evolution, and graphics showing this variety of dogs can not be shown to validate evolution, or pretend that a huge gap can or could or might have or eventually will produce a new animal that is not a dog.

Thats a stretch, a false claim, a desperate ploy, and an untruth.

Evolution needs a wants some kind of evidence, but please enough of this so called inbreeding proofs with your pretty pictures and branching.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 30 of 56 (810484)
05-30-2017 9:26 AM
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Re: Re:Stop using the L word
Strange I can be off topic on topics I start and am responding to... but if you say so.

Maybe later evolutionists can clarify that they dont believe one species turns into another species. I thought and studied that this was the case when forced to study evolution in university.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 31 of 56 (810485)
05-30-2017 9:29 AM
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05-30-2017 9:26 AM


Re: Agreed evolution did not start life and did not creat laws
I agree, we have one of our first agreements... Evolution did not creat life and did not create laws that govern life and non life. (therefore me having this inside my signature, gives us more common ground, and we can apparrently all accept this as a fact. Great... We have agreement)

We differ on evolution diversifying life, but I shall try studiying up on this new concept you mentioned about it, not creating new and different species from an original species or KIND.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 33 of 56 (810629)
05-31-2017 10:50 AM
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05-31-2017 5:46 AM


Re: Dogs are still dogs is the point ...
Inconsistent Razz, or should I say Abby... it appears you are a designer, yet you reject design and the ultimate DESIGNER... Choosing rather luck and chance as your quiding principle and motivater and your god of selection.

At least thats what your profile says..... Razz the designer.

You probably wont see the contradiction in your Zen state of mind, but for your sanity I thought I would try to bring you back to consistency....

So as mentioned inbreeding is not proof of evolution and dogs remain dogs, and dont turn into a new species or KIND.

Unless and wait for it, some brave evolutionist comes foreward and answers the question ..

Does evolution teach that one species or KIND turns into another species or KIND ?

Basic evolution and not one evolutionist can answer it ?

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 36 of 56 (810670)
05-31-2017 3:52 PM
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05-31-2017 2:01 PM


Re: Dogs are still dogs is the point ...
Diomedes, thank you so much for stating the obvious.... you are literally the first brave evolutionist that admits that in your theory one species or KIND turns into another species or KIND.

Evolutionists HERE have been evading that obvious answer over and over again. Why because they know, it means that humans are supposedly still evolving and different branches or different humans in different envirorments must also be branching out from the originals, and that again proves

Evolution is a racist doctrine

Creationism wins again unless you promote racism and wars.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 37 of 56 (810671)
05-31-2017 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Davidjay
05-31-2017 3:52 PM


It took somebody new to discussions to answer
It took a new to this thread evolutionists to answer this question about evolution because he was naive enough to answer honestly that evolution dictates branching, and dictates that one species supposedly turns into a new species.
As he or she said, its obvious, but evasive evolutionists who are hard core wouldn;t admit it.... and now they have been found wanting and again found to be losers, as they run from their own doctrine, and the consequences of their own doctrine.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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