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New Cat's Eye
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Message 88 of 187 (811257)
06-06-2017 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by ProtoTypical
06-05-2017 4:24 PM


The order and predictable nature of the universe compels many to infer design as those are legitimate indicators of design. The fact is that order does not always indicate design. The inverse is true about apparent disorder and this is my point.

Apparent disorder does not count against the idea of a designer any more than order supports the idea.

You're not wrong, but I think you might be missing a part: When talking about the Christian god as the designer, the would-be nature of his design wouldn't fit with his claimed characteristics because his design would be pretty stupid and he's supposed to be pretty smart.


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Message 96 of 187 (811340)
06-07-2017 10:17 AM
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06-06-2017 6:52 PM


I think that the would-be nature of his design detracts more from the Christian narrative then it does from the concept of a designer.

Don't kid yourself; the concept of a designer comes from the Christian narrative.

our assessment of the design objective is wrong.

Could be, who knows?


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Message 107 of 187 (811431)
06-07-2017 7:40 PM
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06-07-2017 7:29 PM


Sure it is there too but I think there is evidence that it existed in many cultures long before the Christians wrote it down. A designer or god is a posited answer for the so far unanswerable question of origin and that question has been around for about as long as we have been asking questions.

I just mean that if the Christian narrative is inconsistent with what nature reveals that doesn't detract from the idea of a creator that is perhaps different from what is described in the bible.

Right on, you're right.

I think my misunderstanding stemmed from a divergence between the slight contextual difference, and the big conceptual difference, from there is a designer and there could be a designer. But I could be wrong about that too

Cheers!


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