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Message 4 of 35 (811424)
06-07-2017 4:48 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Chiroptera
06-07-2017 3:52 PM

Actually that just seems to close the gap between H. sapiens and H. heidelberensis

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Message 5 of 35 (811425)
06-07-2017 4:55 PM

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06-07-2017 4:45 PM

Take the above. You say that H. sapiens was believed to appear in East Africa 200,000 years ago, but is that really the case? It's worth remembering that it has at various times been common to refer to neanderthals as H. sapiens neandertalensis, and some workers still do so today. So, by this classification, there were H. sapiens in Europe more than 250,000 years ago.

The oldest "anatomically modern" fossils I am aware of prior to this find is 160,000 years ago:

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160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans

"We've lacked intermediate fossils between pre-humans and modern humans, between 100,000 and 300,000 years ago, and that's where the Herto fossils fit," said paleoanthropologist Tim White, professor of integrative biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and a co-leader of the team that excavated and analyzed the discovery site. "Now, the fossil record meshes with the molecular evidence."

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Message 14 of 35 (818329)
08-27-2017 8:07 AM

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08-27-2017 7:12 AM

Re: Humanity... Not so intelligent perhaps

Welcome to the fray porkandcheese,

So modern man is 200,000 years old.
And modern man started becoming civilised (written language, cultivation, etc) about 6,000 years ago.
So it took mankind 194,000 years to actually start showing signs of intelligence. Once they did a rapid acceleration of technology, wisdom and understanding propelled us to this point.
So for 194,000 years man was dumb and still living out of caves. Man never created written language, they never built any structures or created any machines or tools, nor did they produce any art.
Think about that for a while people. Use logic and common sense

Man started showing signs of intelligence when making and using tools. Do you know when that happened?

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Message 18 of 35 (818350)
08-27-2017 11:38 AM

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08-27-2017 9:19 AM

Re: Humanity... Not so intelligent perhaps

Man was probably using tools from the start.

Nope. But that depends on what you call "the start" doesn't it? IF you define the "start of Man" as when they started using tools (or after that) then it becomes self-fulfilling. IF, however you define the "start of Man" as a bipedal primate, then they may have used found objects as tools and later learned to fashion better tools. IF you define the "start of Man" as the first primate the answer would be no.

Chimps and orangutans have been observed making and using tools, and orangutans will even carry small ones in their cheek pouches.

But man was fairly dumb for a very long time

By what measure?

If you took a modern highly educated human and put them in a jungle ecology they would probably die because they wouldn't know how to survive there. (especially without internet access ... ).

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Message 29 of 35 (818419)
08-28-2017 10:18 AM

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08-28-2017 7:37 AM

Re: 1 simple point made

Oh, and you're wrong anyway. In China there was written language around 12 000 years ago.

And we have cave art that eloquently describes living species from 30,000 years ago.

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Message 33 of 35 (818472)
08-29-2017 7:06 AM

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08-29-2017 5:44 AM

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This final line on my post about creationist.
I don't remember writting that.

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