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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
NoNukes
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Message 32 of 381 (812886)
06-21-2017 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Genomicus
06-21-2017 12:27 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
Blargh. Will respond to your post(s) in more depth later.
Responding may not be worth your time. You won't convince LNA, and the rest of us know that he's talking crap. If you really feel your are helping out some lurker who trusts what he reads here, or you just cannot let crap go unchallenged, then of course go right ahead.
Yes, this conspiracy crap about civil rights being a plan by Jews to hurt black folks has floated around, but primarily the conspiracy has life among folks just as ignorant about the civil rights movement as LamarkNewAge. Just more Illuminati stuff. LNA is continually bragging about having his thumb on the pulse of the black community via his millions of conversations with black folks. I don't buy it.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 333 of 381 (814359)
07-08-2017 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by LamarkNewAge
07-07-2017 2:23 PM


Summary
This is a situation from (southern) Italy. The time is the late 19th and early 20th century. Around the time after Marx was known.
You make a great point LNA. The truth is that illegal immigration of folks trying to better themselves by escaping hopeless situations may be made illegal, but such immigration cannot be made evil; at least not in the minds of some decent people that I agree with. Many (but not all) folks who don't grasp or accept this idea have other agenda such as "worrying about the browning of America". Of course, if you call those folks on that stuff, then you are a no-account, PC commie bastard trying to deny free speech by using your own free speech. That is the entire premise of this ridiculous thread.
This thread isn't really about immigration, but immigration is certainly a good example of what this particular line of argument is about. Namely calling folks commie in response to being called out when expressing positions of debatable, if not questionable, ethical and moral underpinning.
What would Jesus do if he encountered a family of asylum seekers looking for refuge? Is the answer really "turn them over to the Romans?". Is there really no word in the Bible addressing the behavior of nations of folks? Can you come up with questions any more rhetorical than these? Do bears not defecate in the woods?
Edited by NoNukes, : tone down a tiny bit.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 344 of 381 (814470)
07-10-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by JonF
07-10-2017 9:07 AM


I haven't been following this thread closely, but a comment in another forum led me to research "Cultural Marxism" a little.
Not a primary source, but perhaps this discussion from Rational Wiki might clear things up a bit. There are some references in the article to some primary sources, so I don't think they are too far wrong.
Cultural Marxism - RationalWiki
quote:
Cultural Marxism generally refers to one of two things:
First extremely rarely "Cultural Marxism" refers to the general application of the Frankfurt School's Marxist ideology to the social sciences.
Second about 99.9% of the time "Cultural Marxism" is a snarl word used to paint anyone with progressive tendencies as a secret Communist. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers have infiltrated media, academia, and science and are engaged in a decades-long plot to undermine Western culture. Some variants of the conspiracy alleges [sic] that basically all of modern social liberalism is, in fact, a Communist front.
I think it is pretty clear that the intent of this thread fits the second definition. To wit:
quote:
In current wingnut usage, the term is a favourite of Pat Buchanan and, to the most dangerous extent, Anders Behring Breivik. It is a Cold Warrior's way of decrying "political correctness" or "multiculturalism."
Sound familiar to the usage here?
Further from RW
quote:
If anyone rants about "Cultural Marxists taking over culture!", feel free to remind them that they're literally spouting Nazi propaganda updated for the modern era.
Here I think Rational Wiki goes just about as far overboard as does this the premise of this thread, and that's quite a difficult feat.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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