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Tangle
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Message 51 of 83 (814227)
07-05-2017 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by PaulK
07-05-2017 12:03 AM


Re: Evidence for kinds
Paulk writes:

Of course the fundamental point was "what evidence would we expect to see if 'kinds' were real". Since kinds are - by definition - separate creations with no evolutionary relationship clear boundaries are to be expected. Since even the creationists we are talking about agree that species are not separate creations but have evolutionary relationships to at least some other species it is not expected that we should be able to find clear boundaries.

CRR posted an image showing the creationist version of acceptable evolution, showing these boundaries very clearly. We can imagine that each trunk represents a 'kind' taken onto the ark and the branches show evolution after the flood. Or at least that's how I'm reading it.

There then should be no links between birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, insects, etc etc. One clear distinction in kinds in the biblical account is between those approved for eating and scarifice and those not.

So presumably there should be a clear boundary between a pig and a cow?


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Message 54 of 83 (814230)
07-05-2017 5:44 AM
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07-05-2017 5:12 AM


Re: Evidence for kinds
Pressie writes:

Not surprisingly I had a creationist telling me that pigs and cattle are from the same 'Baramin'. Figure that.

If it wasn't for the biblical reference, I reckon that's what they'd have to say - they're both even-toed ungulates. Like they'd group tapirs with elephants I assume - but really who knows what these people think - they all think something different.

quote:
The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.

Genesis 7

quote:
Clean meat is defined as the meat of every animal that has the hoof cloven in two, and chews the cud. Some examples of clean meat are the ox (cattle), buffalo, sheep, goat, deer, gazelle, antelope and mountain sheep, just to name a few. Unclean meat examples are the pig, the camel, the hare and the rock badger.

Rock badger!


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 59 of 83 (814280)
07-05-2017 3:43 PM
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07-05-2017 3:35 PM


Re: Evidence for kinds
ringo writes:

Pigs must be "fallen" cows.

Probably why they taste so good.


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 76 of 83 (814476)
07-10-2017 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by mike the wiz
07-10-2017 10:11 AM


Mike writes:

This new quizlet seems to be a good test, the questions change each time it seems.

Well that's total garbage, I got 100%. I opted for multiple choice and when the answers weren't actually contained in the question, the wrong options mostly ruled themselves out by being totally random.

Q. Unsegmented worms with elongated rounded body pointed at both ends

Genotype
Nematode
Tetrapods
Clades

Ffs.....

So we have a couple of creationists obsessing over definitions looking for loopholes, this one messing about with quizzes trying to prove exactly what I'm not sure and another one trying to persuade us that religious belief is science.

Is anyone going to bring us some actual science? Anybody?

You do understand that scientific theories can only be overturned by evidence not quizzes, not logic, philosophy, semantics or belief - or do you?


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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