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caffeine
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Message 42 of 195 (817134)
08-15-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by vimesey
08-15-2017 12:21 PM


If Black Lives Matter were active in England, and there was evidence that the organisation incited racial hatred, then yes, they would likely be prosecuted.
You can't prosecute Black Lives Matter in the UK any more than in the US. Black Lives Matter is an organisation in the sense that it's a bunch of people who got together to organise something. It is not, however, a juristic person - corporations, trade unions, charities, business partnerships - all these entities can be liable for criminal offenses. Loosely organised political movements obviously cannot; since they have no formally recognised structure and command and responsibility. What would it even mean to prosecute BLM? Organisations are punished under British law by fines. If BLM doesn't have a bank account then there's nothing to fine.
Let's ignore the self-evident impossibility of bringing criminal action against something which has no legal reality. Even if BLM was registered as some kind of trust or charity; it's actually very hard under UK law to prove the responsibility of the organisation for things done by people considered to be acting in its name. For any crime other than manslaughter the prosecution is required to establish that the individual who committed the crime is senior enough to be considered the 'controlling mind' of the organisation. It's unclear what could be conceived as the controlling mind of a decentralised protest group.
If there was evidence that an organisation in England was inciting racial hatred, the individuals doing so would likely be prosecuted as individuals. Trying to prosecute their organisation would be a foolish waste of time. Organisations (usually corporations) are convicted of things like bribery. I would be astounded if there is a single case in English history of an organisation convicted of incitement to anything.

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caffeine
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Message 185 of 195 (817900)
08-21-2017 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
08-20-2017 6:26 AM


Re: Laguna Beach
I wouldn't have known about this except I have a relative who lives there and mentioned it in an email. According to her, protestors are being bussed in to Laguna Beach. Anti-"racist" protestors apparently, I guess to squelch another moment of free speech planned for tomorrow. Then I found a news story about it. So again we've got protestors against, not white supremacists, in this case just Americans who want to call attention to crimes committed by illegal aliens. Can't do that, it's "racist." Can't rule our own borders, that's "racist." And they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so.
'Bussing in' protestors is something I hear Americans talk about a lot, complete with the implication that a) this is somehow wrong, and b) the protestors on the bus are getting paid.
Now, I know nothing about the particular case you're discussing here, but I have been 'bussed in' to several protests. I've even helped organise the buses. None of us were paid to be on those buses - on the contrary, we had to pay. The cost of renting the bus and petrol was covered by charging people for a space on the bus.
I'm unclear what the issue is supposed to be here? Is there something wrong with attending a protest if you don't live walking distance from the venue? Generally these things are aimed at national or state governments, after all, not just the local council.

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caffeine
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Message 194 of 195 (818161)
08-24-2017 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
08-21-2017 2:50 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
That sounds reasonable, but whenever I've heard of protestors being bussed in they are paid, they don't care about the issues, all they care about is the money, and they are sometimes instructed to be violent.
That's all people ever talk about, yes, but I am dubious how often this sort of thing actually happens. All I ever see is someone posting a photo of people on a coach; and then implying or declaring that they're paid protestors bussed in. That's the extent of the evidence.
I'm certainly not denying the possibility that political parties or pressure groups may pay people to attend protests sometimes, but I think the accusation is usually just a baseless accusation to discredit whichever protest the accuser happens to disagree with.
Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.

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