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Message 6 of 894 (818507)
08-29-2017 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
08-29-2017 10:07 PM


Faith writes:

Calling God a liar is probably not a good idea.

Except, of course, he was not calling God a liar (even though the Bible does record God lying) but rather calling the people that try to sell fiction as fact mistaken. There has never been a world wide flood in the whole time humans have existed.


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Message 14 of 894 (818520)
08-30-2017 12:16 AM
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08-29-2017 11:13 PM


Faith writes:

Also not a good idea to disagree with God about what He said.

It's only Biblical Christians like you that disagree with what God said and blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

There has never been a world wide flood during the period when humans existed.


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Message 24 of 894 (818551)
08-30-2017 9:06 AM
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08-30-2017 8:29 AM


So you assert.

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Message 40 of 894 (818607)
08-31-2017 8:04 AM
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08-30-2017 10:58 AM


And you are about to present the evidence that shows there was a world-wide flood during the time humans exited?

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Message 46 of 894 (818616)
08-31-2017 9:31 AM
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08-31-2017 8:37 AM


God the counterfeiter
What is sad to me is the people who market the Biblical Flood don't seem to realize that by doing so they are marketing a God that is a liar, a fraud, a counterfeiter and a conman.

All of the physical evidence ever found by Geologists, Geneticists, Paleontologists, Biologists, Physicists and every other field of scientific endeavor show that there has never been a world-wide flood, particularly not during the time span that humans have existed.

To accept that there really was a Biblical Flood entails also accepting (assuming honesty) that God then not only hid all the evidence but went so far as to create the evidence that shows just the opposite; that God not only committed the greatest genocide of all time but then not just destroyed the evidence but fabricated new evidence to show the genocide never happened.

They are marketing a God who is without a doubt the greatest criminal of all time. Granted, that really is the expected behavior of a crook but hardly an example of something that should be respected, admired, worshiped or adored.

Edited by jar, : missing word added so sentence actually makes sense.


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Message 85 of 894 (818832)
09-03-2017 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by RAZD
09-03-2017 8:23 AM


Re: 3 living trees alone show NO flood at 4350 ya
There are also styles, art and technologies that were local to a region or culture that continue right through the possible periods when the Biblical Flood stories were supposed to have occurred and absolutely NO evidence of all the world's cultures and civilizations disappearing within a one year period only to be gradually replaced by a culture radiating out from the Middle East.

The idea that there was ever a Biblical Flood is simply silly.


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Message 97 of 894 (818851)
09-03-2017 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by riVeRraT
09-03-2017 11:38 AM


belief and conclusion are not synonyms.
rr writes:

Only people that believe there was no flood are allowed to speak losely.

I don't know anyone who believes there was no flood. There are lots of people who conclude that there has never been a world-wide flood during the times humans lived. That latter is not a matter of belief but rather an inescapable conclusion based on the overwhelming evidence found in reality as well as the evidence that there are two mutually exclusive flood myths found in the Bible stories.


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Message 100 of 894 (818864)
09-03-2017 6:59 PM
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09-03-2017 6:23 PM


Re: On topic
Yup. Had a mating pair of 'roos shown up in Houston with a pair of koalas in their pouches with a whole line of Lions and Tigers and Bears and Ohmys there might have been a news story worth of Faux News.

The Biblical Flood is simply a silly sophomoric joke at the very best attempted by an inept, evil, dishonest and untrustworthy God who was trying to get a gig in stand up comedy.


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Message 104 of 894 (818870)
09-03-2017 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Faith
09-03-2017 7:11 PM


Faith writes:

Strata and fossils

Let me fix that for you.

Strata and fossils are absolute and conclusive proof that there was never a Biblical Flood since no one has ever been able to present a model, mechanism, method, process, procedure for any flood to create the order found in reality.

Period!

The Biblical Flood is as absurd as the Garden or Eden, the Fall, The Exodus and the Conquest of Canaan or Young Earth.


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Message 115 of 894 (818913)
09-04-2017 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by riVeRraT
09-03-2017 11:28 PM


Re: On topic
rr writes:

jar writes:

Yup. Had a mating pair of 'roos shown up in Houston with a pair of koalas in their pouches with a whole line of Lions and Tigers and Bears and Ohmys there might have been a news story worth of Faux News.

But it wasn't a global flood.

There has never been a Global Flood and even this flood did not flood all of the area where the rain fell. The flood in Houston was expected, is recurring and man made.

rr writes:

jar writes:

The Biblical Flood is simply a silly sophomoric joke at the very best attempted by an inept, evil, dishonest and untrustworthy God who was trying to get a gig in stand up comedy.

Are you an asshole atheist now?

Not at all. But I also am not part of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

The Biblical Flood stories in the Bible are simply neither factual or historical beyond the fact that they are historical fiction.


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Message 119 of 894 (818924)
09-04-2017 8:03 AM
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09-04-2017 7:22 AM


Re: PnC killing time
Phat writes:

jar will never agree with you but only clarify and reframe the basic argument presented.

I agree when reasonable supported arguments are presented.


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Message 124 of 894 (818937)
09-04-2017 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by riVeRraT
09-03-2017 11:43 PM


correction
rr writes:

Jar's statement was technically incorrect if you are a scientist.

Sorry but that is simply incorrect and absurd.

Change leaves evidence.

If a claim is made that an arrow hit the target then the fact that there are no arrow holes in the target is sufficient to conclude "The arrow did not hit the target!"

If a claim is made that there was a world-wide flood during the time humans existed then there must be evidence that there was a world-wide flood during the time humans existed.

The fact that there is evidence of cultures that continued without interruption, living things that existed bore and after the dates attributed to the flood, that there are objects that predate the flood but have never been under water is sufficient to say "There has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans existed."

Change leaves evidence and that's a fact Jack.


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Message 136 of 894 (819000)
09-04-2017 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by riVeRraT
09-04-2017 10:55 PM


Re: On topic
rr writes:

LMAO! Climate change made that storm stall didn't it? LMAO It didn't know where to go because CO2.

Climate change almost certainly helped create the storm but the flooding was caused by ignorance and greed; on constantly voting down zoning and building regulations.

rr writes:

You believe in God you say? He created the universe, and He could have hid the (objective)evidence of a flood from us. Which is what I think happened. God wants us to believe by faith, what good then would evidence serve us?

Seeing that you believe in god(small g for you), this is one scenario that could have happened. Saying it didn't happen as absolute is not really faithful, or scientific minded of you.

Then you are marketing a vile, evil, dishonest God who is also not really very smart or effective. As I pointed out in Message 46 the God you claim and market is really really stupid.

Part of the evidence that shows there was no world-wide flood during the time humans have existed are the cultures that continue uninterrupted by the Biblical Flood. Part of hiding the evidence then was creating populations that replaced everything that was killed so there was not interruption to the civilizations or even their mythos.

Your God created flood that no one noticed.

Pretty pitiful.

rr writes:

And we always are able to see that evidence........said no one ever.

Yes, we are able to see the evidence.

There has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans existed. Remember, all it takes is one single example of something that must have been effected by the flood but has not been effected.


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Message 146 of 894 (819065)
09-05-2017 4:34 PM
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09-05-2017 4:25 PM


Re: On topic
My 2s are honest actual 2s.

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Message 151 of 894 (819072)
09-05-2017 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by riVeRraT
09-05-2017 4:40 PM


Learn basics rr.
LOL

My 2s are objective. There is absolute evidence that there has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans have existed.

There is NO evidence of any God or of a world-wide flood.

You really need to learn basics, you know, middle school stuff.

Physical evidence is objective.

Belief is subjective.

It really is that simple.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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