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Author Topic:   Evidence of the flood
GDR
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Message 783 of 899 (820159)
09-16-2017 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by Percy
09-16-2017 3:14 PM


Understanding Faith
Percy writes:

Why, since you're obviously so miserable and no one's making you stay here, don't you go somewhere else?

I think what we have to understand about Faith, (and I do suggest that we should be understanding of her position), is that her whole her world view, in fact her whole life, is based on a belief in an so-called inerrant reading of scripture. If she allows herself to move away from that position it essentially destroys her whole sense of what is important in life.

I have heard people say in Bible studies that if one thing in the Bible is found to be in error then we can’t trust anything it says. In other words, instead of worshiping the Word or wisdom of God as embodied in Jesus she and others worship a collection of books, which they essentially believe was dictated by God.

The thing is that she represents a well articulated voice for a minority of Christians that believe as she does. If she leaves the “Evolution vs Creation” forum we will be left with a discussion group of like thinking people that accept evolution but with little or no input from Biblical creationists.

Sure, as a Christian I find Faith’s views contrary to how I contend the Bible is to be understood. Her understanding of how the Scriptures are to be understood portrays the nature of God to be very much at odds with the nature of God that we see in the person and the words of Jesus. However, she is not alone in her views and it is important that we can have open discussion with people on forums like this so we can at least understand one another’s views, and even learn from them.

I realize that many of you become very frustrated by her posts but she gets equally as frustrated with the posts of the rest of us.

I think it would be a shame to lose her on this forum.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Posts: 5409
From: Sidney, BC, Canada
Joined: 05-22-2005


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Message 786 of 899 (820165)
09-16-2017 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Percy
09-16-2017 6:04 PM


Re: Understanding Faith
I understand that Percy but she gets a lot of abusive aimed at her as well. How often his her faith in particular, but even that of non-fundamentalist Christians, been called superstition, a fairy tale or mocked in other ways such as in references to Dawkin's Flying Spaghetti Monster. Posts like that are often cheered and are pretty much the accepted norm.

There is no doubt that Faith goes overboard in many of her posts, but I suggest that as she is so virtually alone in her position she carries a level of frustration that has to be higher than the rest of us. It seems to me that she has held in there when pretty much all other creationists have left the site.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 790 of 899 (820169)
09-16-2017 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 787 by herebedragons
09-16-2017 8:24 PM


Re: Understanding Faith
hbd writes:

When someone comes to a science / evidence based discussion with conclusions that go against how things are known to work and they are unwilling to consider rebuttal evidence, it can't be much of a science / evidence based discussion, can it? It can only be bare assertions and accusations.

Good point. I sometimes don't notice that it is a science forum. The thing is though that Faith's religious beliefs are the foundation for her beliefs where science is confirmed, and as a result she will make the science conform to her religious beliefs.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
Member (Idle past 14 days)
Posts: 5409
From: Sidney, BC, Canada
Joined: 05-22-2005


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Message 795 of 899 (820174)
09-16-2017 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by Faith
09-16-2017 8:42 PM


Re: No, it's all science
Faith writes:

You are wrong now. Both of my arguments against the Old Earth and evolution from species to species and for the Flood and rapid evolution within the species are based on nothing but observed facts, not my Christian beliefs.

The problem is Faith that you are debating with, in some cases, people who have an extensive background in this subject and are doing so without any pre-suppositions. You however, as a lay person in the field, are starting with the idea of an actual world wide flood and looking for anything that you can use to conform to your original starting point. It doesn't necessarily make you wrong but it would be like me debating physics with our much missed cavediver.

I have learned a fair bit of physics on this board by asking questions, and looking for answers. The problem is that if someone who is knowledgeable makes a point that argues against the world wide flood you have to reject it out of hand because you cannot question your underlying belief in an inerrant Bible. It is difficult, if not impossible, to benefit from the knowledge of others with that mind set.

I know I've said this before but maybe just trying looking at an inerrant Jesus as a starting point and then understand the Bible in that light. If you do that you might find that it doesn't matter one way or the other whether there was a world wide flood. I'd better shut up. As was pointed out this is a science forum.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Posts: 5409
From: Sidney, BC, Canada
Joined: 05-22-2005


Message 799 of 899 (820178)
09-16-2017 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by Percy
09-16-2017 9:34 PM


Re: Understanding Faith
Ya, but by tomorrow she'll calm down.

Bottom line, I'd miss her around here.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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