Evidence of the flood

Evidence of Allah is the Koran.

This is the part where you begin to run away.

You will. It's what you do.

It's all you are capable of in this topic.

It drives me crazy when she just Faith has not yet responded to messages that absolutely sink her magical ship.

Can you please respond to this Faith?
This is a significant point! These were NOT formed during the flood?

Can I tag her in this message, similar to Facebook?

What of the Bible did you just say that could not be said of the Koran by a Muslim?
Think about this.

The Koran gives evidence galore throughout, historical accounts of Allah's doings in the world, as witnessed by many people who are named, and much of the Koran describes Allah's miraculous doings to verify His deity; but the Bible just assumes the existence of Yahweh and doesn't give one iota of evidence.

Your arguments are middle school Faith.

Nice Faith. Up to two lines here. Your rebuttals are the definition of the same old same old. Your arrogance is astounding. You keep restating your position after being shown it is wrong... it is beyond apparent even to us non-scientists that you are wrong. The concepts are put down clearly and consisely, usually with great patience...in a way that should be easy to grasp. And then you hand wave away that effort in a single mocking line, stating to the effect that your lack of expertise is somehow equal to a genuine expert's expertise in a debate. This is not at all equal; this is actual, professional expertise versus your actual ignorance of science. This is not a fair fight, and you are not doing well.

You are being used as a mop in this debate, and floor is getting very clean. I'm cringing while reading you posts, because it is evident you don't have a single clue. Not one.

Such astounding arrogance for such little knowledge. At least have the humility to pretend to try to learn something here?

Good grief. Orbital mechanics does not require faith. There is a vast body of evidence going back centuries, all pointing to the virtual certainty that

1) the sun will rise tomorrow morning.
2) In the East.
3) At an exact time published in an Almanac.

You can find for yourself that exact minute of sunrise online with a 10 second google search. You can verify for yourself through a few mornings' worth of experimentation, that we know through accumulated centuries of evidence gathering, that the sun will rise in the morning. Scripture says that faith is "The substance of things not seen...." and the sunrise has been seen by every believer, and every non-believer in every religion that has ever existed.

Astronomers didn't have faith the solar eclipse was going to occur last month; they knew it as a FACT, and thousands of people spent millions of dollars to be in the exact, predicted path of the shadow at the exact predicted moment. Not faith. Fact. Reality. How much sillier to call a simple sunrise an act of faith?

Can we please stop pretending what faith is? Things UNSEEN... belief in things with NO supporting evidence.

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Typing in ALL CAPS does not make your position more reasonable Faith.
Yelling an absurdity does not lend it credibility. Can you please just talk normally?

Percy writes:

I know I'm only a career lurker here, but I've lurked around enough to recognize that I think this is exactly what Faith wants. She yells and screams at the top of her lungs until you tell her to take a break. Then she can secretly chalk up her short suspension on "Persecution of Christians", without actually having to go through real persecution, and then come back later and hope we don't notice that she is recycling her worn-out ideas all over again.

I can almost hear her in a ladys' Bible study group asking for prayers for strength and wisdom in the face of her battle with the "Atheistic Scientists." She probably has them eating out of her hand.

Are you really the only one who can't see this sad pattern, Faith? These are all from the same six sentence post!

You have built an inpenetrable wall of ignorance around your faith. A HUUUUUUGE wall, that Mexico is not going to pay for. It is truly a sad sight to behold, and you are the only one that has to pay for it. Please find the humility to learn something from someone who knows more than you.

I understand you are trying hard to see the best in your fellow believer Phat, but I am more cynical in my view toward her. Faith brings to my mind a picture of a little bat hanging in the damp darkness from the ceiling of a tiny cave, telling all the other animals running around in the sunshine outside that they have everything upside down, and that they absolutely all needed to come live in the cave with her.

She will not be convinced there is sunlight outside. Despite empassioned pleadings from other well-meaning and beautiful humans, she harbors no quarter for those with differing viewpoints to her own. God Himself must conform to the way SHE thinks He needs to be. Everything Faith says about God must be true, and it is hard for her to let differences of opinion, however subtle, slide by gracefully and with honor. There is no expertise; no life dedicated to the aquisition of a specific knowlegde area; not in physics, astronomy, biology, geology, paleontology, that she will not dismiss with a single haughty guffaw, proclaiming her knowledge, her insight, her perch on her comfy armchair to be superior to their years of hard work and field research.

Her's is the pride of Lucifer. She will simply not allow herself to submit to any authority, in any field, in any way, unless it reaffirms her rightness at any cost.

There is more I could say but she is already going to accuse me of assassinating her character, although she likely did that herself years ago. I mean, she defended the killing of children and babies in the name of her religion to me personally, and in ALL CAPS, last year here in this forum. why should we expect her to listen to a mere geologist?

ADMIN: I will retract this with an apology if you feel it crosses forum guidelines, although I can't see that it is possibly off topic at this point.

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