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Message 57 of 899 (818650)
08-31-2017 5:12 PM


But if this flood has carved a canyon.....now that would be cool.

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Message 150 of 899 (819070)
09-05-2017 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by riVeRraT
09-05-2017 4:39 PM


Riverat writes:

What am I if I believe we were created to evolve through natural processes?

A very fashionable, very modern creationist.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Message 153 of 899 (819076)
09-05-2017 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
09-05-2017 5:30 PM


Re: Lear basics rr.
Faith writes:

Strata and fossils. Evidence of God is the Bible.

What an amazing coincidence!

The evidence for the biblical flood turns out to be exactly the same evidence - geology and fossils - that was used to demostrate the the real age of the earth and the origin of species. Precisely the things that creationists denied and railed against.

Who'd have thought it? Brilliant!


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 155 of 899 (819078)
09-05-2017 6:24 PM
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09-05-2017 5:49 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Faith writes:

Yes indeed it is amazing that the obvious is so overlooked.

Stunning. Almost unbelievable that the evidence science uncovered and the theory it derived that explains it also turns out to be the same evidence that fundamentalists need to justify their beliefs.

The only flaw is that silly age thing. Well maybe not the only thing.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 163 of 899 (819095)
09-06-2017 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Faith
09-05-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Strata n Fossils
Faith writes:

Not really all that stunning. We'd expect a major reinterpretation of the evidence for the failed paradigm when the true paradigm comes alone.

Right and that inconvenient age thing?


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 244 of 899 (819339)
09-09-2017 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by RAZD
09-09-2017 5:12 PM


Re: Atheistic science?
RAZD writes:

(First it should be agnostic science, because it neither validates nor disproves god/s -- because it can't test non-natural phenomena by definition.)

Science doesn't have or require an adjective. In fact to add one destroys its value as a methodology.


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Message 296 of 899 (819435)
09-11-2017 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Faith
09-11-2017 2:36 AM


Re: Capitulating to the truth is the real mistake?
Faith writes:

I'm telling the truth, I'm fairly representing what Bible believers believe the Bible says. Instead of acting like you know it all wouldn't it be more reasonable for you just to acknowledge that we disagree about these things? Surely you know I'm right about what these particular Christians believe.

All you're saying is "this is what we believe and nothing can change it."

That's ok, we know extreme religious belief does this to people. What I find really fascinating is that you spend so much time and effort trying to show that your mad beliefs are rational when you know that they've been dispoven centuries ago.

You have to defend your belief to yourself using any rationalisation you can find. Almost like you've not got the confidence to simply believe, you also have to find a way to prove to yourself that your belief is right despite all the evidence.

You're a bit of a Thomas aren't you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 496 of 899 (819712)
09-14-2017 4:42 AM


This is the full summary of the thread...

Faith writes:

Just for the record I don't follow much of what is known as Creation Science, though I've gotten some leads from them, but mostly I think it all through on my own.

Though to be accurate I would replace 'think it all through' with 'make it all up'


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 803 of 899 (820186)
09-17-2017 3:19 AM


Faith's problem is that she doesn't actually know what knowledge is.

She thinks that it can be acquired remotely sitting at her keyboard and thinking really hard. She can't have had any experience writing a real scientific paper or even studying a scientific subject In depth. If she had she'd get an inkling of the massive amount of research and evidence supporting each and every detail of, say, the tooth of a fossil ape. She'd also know how difficult it is to get new ideas reviewed and published. You can't just think them and everyone applauds.

Without any concept of how everything is linked together, ToE, Geology, DNA, Astronomy, Radio dating, Palaeontology, Embryology and even some form of pure Physics she thinks she can just make up plausable (to her) little stories for each difficult problem found in each discipline. In her mind the stories all make perfect sense and don't need to form a whole story consistent either with itself or other disciplines and evidence.

She's pretending to be an expert in several complex disciplines simultaneously despite have absolutelty no formal training or knowedge of any. It's a phenominal feat of hubris which can only come from a position of real ignorance and overaching belief that her belief is all that matters.

But there are some areas where she can't go. She can't and won't argue with the consilience of dating methods. She knows that there there is very little room for her imaginative little stories and simply relies on her belief that despite the overwhelming evidence of an old earth it just must be wrong.

It's puzzling to me though why she bothers with trying to prove her beliefs in the physical world. Why not just believe? It can only be that deep down she has doubts.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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