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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I DON'T THINK IN TERMS OF "AGES," PERHAPS YOU NEED TO REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION
It was my question. If you can't accommodate that, then you shouldn't be asking me to answer an unanswerable question. I need some kind of a target. However, I will say that, IIRC, the Mississippi Delta has been forming since possibly as early as the Triassic, so it should be continuous since then at least. And it hasn't stopped yet.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
ONCE IT IS SHOWN THAT THE STRATA WERE ALL LAID DOWN RAPIDLY AND NOT OVER HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS, YOUR FOSSIL ORDER COLLAPSES
Then you should show us the evidence that such is the case.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
TRIASSIC IS MEANINGLESS. IT STARTED AFTER THE FLOOD
Well, that's kind of odd. I'm pretty sure that the fossil evidence would show that such is the case. Are you willing to refute actual geologists in the field? I'll track down the references if you are serious.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
PROVE IT. SHOW A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF DEPOSITION ON TOP OF THE GEO GOLUMN THAT IS CONTINUOUS WITH IT. THE MISSISSIPPI DELTA LAYERS DON'T EVEN COVER THE GOLUMN THAT SAGS INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO
But they ARE the sediments that are loading the delta. Whatever are you talking about?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
ON TOP OF IS NOT CONTINUOUS WITH
In that case, it appears you are saying that the Mississippi River stopped flowing for a significant period of time. I mean, we are attributing a certain set of sediments to the river and they are sequential, ostensibly deposited in the same way, so the river must have stopped. I have to say that I was actually surprised at the age of these sediments when I read the paper, but yes, they do have oil wells to support the conclusions. When the Appalachians began to erode, some of the rivers flowed out to the south and another system appears to have flowed west to form, ultimately, the great erg deposits of the Mesozoic. If you were serious, I'd do some more research and try to tie it all together, but I'm just concerned that you will simply dismiss my efforts.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
ON TOP OF IS NOT CONTINUOUS WITH
Well, yes. And that is what we call an unconformity. There are thousands of them in the geological record around the world.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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What I would like to see is a cross section of any place where strata are depositing on top of say the "Holocene" that follow the same pattern as all the strata beneath. Or something like that.
Okay, took me one minute. The lowest sediments in this section are upper Triassic and there is a continuous depositional sequence through the Pleistocene.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Here is another example of continuous sedimentation through the Mesozoic and into the Tertiary. I hope it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that sedimentation is continuing in the present.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I can't say I'm certain in my terminology, so if Edge or someone wants to jump in then please feel free.
Well, geological terminology is not something that one just jumps into after reading a few websites. The science is old and has a lot of terms that are overused and misunderstood even by people with degrees. Hence, the therm geological column becomes kind of a vague idea. Speaking precisely, I would prefer the term stratigraphic column. This would emphasize the fact that it is the rocks themselves that determine its composition and that each location on earth is different to some degree from other locations. The geological timescale is something different and simply denotes different time intervals in which the rocks were deposited. These are based on life patterns, or the types of fossils found during each interval. For instance "Mesozoic" means 'middle life', and Paleozoic means old life and so on. Now, of course, we are seeing the advent of the term 'Anthropocene' with an obvious meaning. I have yet to accept that since it seems a bit arrogant to assume that we will have a very long tenure on the planet. WE are not even a pixel on the screen yet. So the time scale is like a tape on which certain life patterns are recorded. Depending on where you are, you get different recordings, and in some places there is nothing to record while in others it has been erased by erosion. Consquently, there is really no such thing as THE geological column. Faith seems to think that the Grand Canyon geological column is essentially representative of the entire world, while, realistically, it isn't even representative of Arizona.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I see no deposits on top of the Holocene there.
Well, that was predictable. So are you saying that there are no sediments being deposited on the bottom of the ocean now? Or are you saying that the end of the flood was in the Holocene?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
But it is representative of what happened in the Flood as is every other stratigraphic column. The strata were all deposited one after another in rapid succession during the Flood and that re
In that case, where are the huge sandstone deposits of the Colorado Plateau in Great Britain? Where are the coal seams in the Superior Province? Sorry, note even remotely.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I know what the Geological Column is and it is not gradually accumulated sediments.
Why not? Please explain.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Once again, that is very strange. Other geological columns show the effects of erosion, volcanism and plate tectonics.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME FORM AS THE ACTUAL GEO/STRATIGRAPHIC COLUMN, BUT NOBODY WILL ANSWER MY REQUEST TO PROVE IT, WHICH I TAKE AS EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE.
This does not answer my question. But what do you mean by the "actual geo/stratigraphic column"?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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WHY ARE YOU GIVING EXAMPLES OF DEFORMED STRATA? THOSE PROVE THAT THE STRAT COLUMN IS A UNIT THAT WAS ALL LAID DOWN BEFORE IT WAS DEFORMED, AND THE ONLY WAY IT COULD SERVE AS A BASE FOR FURTHER STRATA ABOVE THE HOLOCENE IS IF YOU COULD SHOW THAT THE NEW DEPOSIT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE STRATA BELOW.
But Siccar Point proves you completely wrong. There is no requirement that lower layers are not disrupted prior to continued deposition above them. Why should I not show deformed rocks? Just because you assert that it cannot happen does not make it so.
ALL THE STRATA ARE THE SAME IN FORM, THIS IS SHOWN IN EVERY CASE, SO IF YOU CLAIM THE COLUMN IS ONGOING ALL NEW LAYERS HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE OLD.
No. Volclanic rocks, for instance do not need to conform to any particular shape or size.
WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THE STRAT COLUMN IS A UNIT, IS ALWAYS A UNIT, AND IT'S OVER AND DONE WITH.
There is no such requirement for a stratigraphic column. In fact, you will often see at the top of a diagram something we call Qal, which is recent alluvium. Still part of the column.
IT WAS LAID DOWN IN THE FLOOD BY CONTINUOUS DEPOSITION, DEFORMED AFTERWARD, AND ANYTHING BUILDING ON IT IS SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY.
Nonsense. Are you not presupposing a flood here? If there was no Bible, would you say the same thing? And no, deformation has occurred throughout the geological record and that fact has little to do with the stratigraphic column for any given location. You have been given a fairly large number of places where sedimentation continues in the same fashion as always. All you really have here is denial of that fact.
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