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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 899 (818659)
08-31-2017 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by PaulK
08-31-2017 12:33 AM


Paulk writes:

Science doesn't work quite the way you think. There are degrees of certainty. The conclusion that there was never a world-wide flood while humans have existed is very high on that scale. It's not absolute but it isn't far off.

Yes, that is exactly what I said in other words. The way you expressed it is correct. The way jar expressed is not.

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riVeRraT
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Message 62 of 899 (818660)
08-31-2017 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Percy
08-31-2017 8:22 AM


Percy writes:

Oh, you mean the principle of tentativity, not the scientific method. Tentativity underpins all science, so woven into the fabric that it rarely needs mention, except maybe for the sake of those who get it mixed up with the scientific method.

No, I mean say what is technically correct.

Actually, scientists knew the world was spherical long before Christian clergy began insisting it was flat.

No one ever thought it was flat before that, said no one ever.

Hmmm, denigrates scientists. Suggests there was a world wide flood.

I did not suggest there was a flood.

But you sure are quacking the walk.

Hell no, and I am proud to say that I learned that in here. Not being a creationist has made my faith stronger. So thank you to all the atheists and intelligent people in here for increasing my faith.


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riVeRraT
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Message 63 of 899 (818661)
08-31-2017 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by PaulK
08-31-2017 8:37 AM


Paulk writes:

It's silly to call it evidence of the Flood. That's why I thought that the OP was just a joke.

It is direct evidence of a flood.


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Message 64 of 899 (818664)
08-31-2017 7:19 PM


EvC triumphs again
To call the incident of the bird in the taxi evidence for the Flood is a bit of hyperbole I just overlooked. But the incident itself certainly does remind one of the Flood -- a bird scared by the huge amount of water on its way finds a dry place to hang out with a human being -- and all the mental gyrations in the effort to deny it are typical EvC nuttiness cuz Creationists can't ever say ANYTHING at all without being contradicted, no matter how casual the comment. The exertion it takes for this endeavor is pretty impressive. Oh and Riverrat isn't even a creationist.

All the incidents of wild animals seeking human help that I mentioned that you can find at You Tube certainly suggests that something kicks in under such circumstances that leads them to trust us. They are expecting help rather than hurt.

But as usual since it is claimed over and over and over that there is no evidence for the biblical worldwide Flood I just have to point out all the in-your-face evidence y'all ignore with as much wacko exertion as it takes to make a mountain out of the molehill of the cute scared birdy in the taxi.

Strata

Fossils

Hooray for EvC. Must deserve some kind of award for this odd behavior;.

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Message 65 of 899 (818668)
08-31-2017 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:20 PM


here were people before the scientific method who were authorities on all things technical. In other words they were scientists.

If they were not using the scientific method, then their results do not impugn science which requires that method.

You are proving the point that being an authority without using the scientific method gives bad results. "Authorities on all things Technical" does not equal scientist.

Now, what was the name of that scientist who thought the world was flat?


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Percy
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Message 66 of 899 (818670)
08-31-2017 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:27 PM


riVeRraT writes:

No, I mean say what is technically correct.

That might be what you meant to say, but it isn't what you said. Here's what you said in Message 32, a description of tentativity:

riVeRraT in Message 32 writes:

Because that is not how science works...you can't prove a negative, and nothing is ever really proven anyway...The better answer should have been "the evidence does not point to a flood, until better evidence is available".

Moving on:

No one ever thought it was flat before that, said no one ever.

Say what? I'll put my decryption experts on it.

I did not suggest there was a flood.

Sure you did. This is how the exchange went, again from your Message 32:

RiVeRraT in Message 32 writes:

Percy writes:

Aren't you asserting that there *has* been a worldwide flood since humans have existed?

I suggested it.

First you suggest it, then you deny suggesting it - hey, still plenty of time left, you can change your mind again.

But you sure are quacking the walk.

Hell no, and I am proud to say that I learned that in here. Not being a creationist has made my faith stronger. So thank you to all the atheists and intelligent people in here for increasing my faith.

Congratulations on your strong faith, but let's go over the evidence again. Doesn't understand science that well.
Makes confusing contradictory statements. Denigrates scientists. Believes there was a global flood.

"Quack."

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo, improve clarity in opening paragraph.


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Message 67 of 899 (818673)
08-31-2017 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:20 PM


Scientists??
There is absolutely no reason to think that the world is flat outside of religious belief.

Early "naturalists" relied on observations and had it figured out thousands of years Then religion came along and mandated their beliefs.

Come to think of it, some of them are still trying that nonsense.

We need another, more widespread, Enlightenment.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 68 of 899 (818684)
08-31-2017 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
08-31-2017 7:19 PM


Re: EvC triumphs again
But as usual since it is claimed over and over and over that there is no evidence for the biblical worldwide Flood I just have to point out all the in-your-face evidence y'all ignore with as much wacko exertion as it takes to make a mountain out of the molehill of the cute scared birdy in the taxi.

Strata

Fossils

We don't ignore strata and fossils, remember? We rubbed them vigorously in your face, remember? Until you admitted your complete inability to explain the fossil record, remember?

And if you don't remember, have a look here.

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19182

This is why I hardly bother posting any more, we've crushed you in every argument and the reason you don't seem to realize this seems to go beyond mere stupidity and into actual amnesia.


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Faith 
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Message 69 of 899 (818688)
08-31-2017 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Dr Adequate
08-31-2017 10:11 PM


Re: EvC goes bonkers again
Sorry, strata and fossils are THE evidence for the Flood, despite EvCers' insistence on the utterly ridiculous delusional time period argument. Common sense ought to be enough to show both the impossibility of that explanation and the obvious reasonableness of the Flood explanation. I'm flattered that you come out from under your rock occasionally just to insult me, but you can go back now.

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PaulK
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Message 70 of 899 (818689)
09-01-2017 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:21 PM


quote:

Yes, that is exactly what I said in other words.

Then you agree that jar was basically right. Nit-picking about the difference between a virtual certainty and an absolute certainty seems a bit of a waste of time.


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PaulK
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Message 71 of 899 (818690)
09-01-2017 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:28 PM


quote:

It is direct evidence of a flood.

I think you need to work more on the delivery. As a joke that fell completely flat.


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Message 72 of 899 (818691)
09-01-2017 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
08-31-2017 7:19 PM


Re: EvC triumphs again
quote:

To call the incident of the bird in the taxi evidence for the Flood is a bit of hyperbole I just overlooked.

I think that "idiocy" would be more accurate than "hyperbole"

quote:

But the incident itself certainly does remind one of the Flood -- a bird scared by the huge amount of water on its way finds a dry place to hang out with a human being -- and all the mental gyrations in the effort to deny it are typical EvC nuttiness cuz Creationists can't ever say ANYTHING at all without being contradicted, no matter how casual the comment.

Of course nobody is objecting to you being reminded of the Flood story. It's the attempt to argue for it as evidence of the Flood that is being objected to.

Apparently we can't point out that a ridiculous falsehood is ridiculously false without you objecting.

As for the question of whether riverrat is a creationist why would that matter ? I argued even more against Crashfrogs silly arguments that Jesus never existed. Should I have given those a pass because Crashfrog isn't a Creationist ?

quote:

All the incidents of wild animals seeking human help that I mentioned that you can find at You Tube certainly suggests that something kicks in under such circumstances that leads them to trust us. They are expecting help rather than hurt.

Or they are just desperate to get out of the rain. Possibly scared, too.

quote:

But as usual since it is claimed over and over and over that there is no evidence for the biblical worldwide Flood I just have to point out all the in-your-face evidence y'all ignore with as much wacko exertion as it takes to make a mountain out of the molehill of the cute scared birdy in the taxi.

Strata

Fossils

Hooray for EvC. Must deserve some kind of award for this odd behavior;.


You find it odd that people disagree with obvious falsehoods ? I think the bizarre behaviour is yours. Emphasising the the Flood is a falsehood - which you keep on doing - isn't going to convince any sane person.


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riVeRraT
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Message 73 of 899 (818805)
09-02-2017 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by PaulK
09-01-2017 12:16 AM


Paulk writes:

I think you need to work more on the delivery. As a joke that fell completely flat.

It's not a joke. Are you denying what you seen with your own eyes in the video? It's pretty obvious to me the flood caused that scenario. Do you have an alternate explanation?

For clarity, "a flood" and "the flood" are 2 different things.


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riVeRraT
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Message 74 of 899 (818808)
09-02-2017 6:57 PM
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09-01-2017 12:14 AM


Paulk writes:

Then you agree that jar was basically right. Nit-picking about the difference between a virtual certainty and an absolute certainty seems a bit of a waste of time.

No, jar said it as an absolute. Funny how the Christians get "nit picked" but jar and atheists don't.


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riVeRraT
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Message 75 of 899 (818809)
09-02-2017 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Percy
08-31-2017 8:08 PM


percy writes:

Congratulations on your strong faith, but let's go over the evidence again. Doesn't understand science that well.
Makes confusing contradictory statements. Denigrates scientists. Believes there was a global flood.

Takes all my statements out of context and makes a fictional argument. I stand behind everything I said. If you don't get it, you are free to read it again.


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