Evidence of the flood

Message 841 of 894 (820302) 09-18-2017 9:53 PM

Reply to: Message 840 by edge 09-18-2017 9:37 PM

There probably is some evidence but it's not exposed.

Besides the sediments were wet so they'd just settle back to their condition before being disturbed.

Why should it look like stripped gears if the sediments were still wet? And again, there may be evidence that just happens to be out of sight.

The evidence of the whole stack's being lifted is quite clear on the cross section as I've many times pointed out. The strata would not deposit over a hill like that, they had to have been pushed up.

Message 842 of 894 (820304) 09-18-2017 10:33 PM

Reply to: Message 841 by Faith 09-18-2017 9:53 PM

Does this also mean that you don't have to look for it?

Your evidence has a strange way of disappearing.

I thought you said that the Shinumo Quartzite was resistant to deformation.

Do you have any idea what happens to wet sediments when they flow?

Message 843 of 894 (820305) 09-19-2017 2:01 AM

Reply to: Message 842 by edge 09-18-2017 10:33 PM

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Message 845 of 894 (820312) 09-19-2017 7:46 AM

Reply to: Message 841 by Faith 09-18-2017 9:53 PM

You can't know what happened before you find the evidence. You only know what happened after you find the evidence. Evidence first, then conclusions. You're working backwards from unevidenced conclusions.

So your evidence completely disappeared. How convenient for you. How do you know what happened if you have no evidence?

And what makes you think that sediments deposited by a flood (which the Tapeats does not resemble, but continuing the counterargument anyway) would look the same as sediments that have settled back down after having a 700 foot monadnock thrust through them. What would have happened to the imprint trails of trilobites and brachiopods when these wet sediments "settled back to their condition" after the the monadnock of Shinumo Quartzite disturbed them? Wouldn't they have been erased?

Our evidence has the advantage of being out in the open where anyone can examine it (well, anyone willing to hike for miles in the hot sun and scramble over very difficult terrain)

Just a hint: you can tell when you might actually be arguing scientifically when you refer to evidence that exists instead of to evidence that doesn't exist.

Edge wasn't arguing that the "whole stack" (presumably you mean all the layers of the Grand Canyon, including the Grand Canyon Supergroup) was not uplifted. That it was uplifted is obvious. Gradual uplift is fundamental to the formation of the canyon. The Colorado flowed along eroding downward as the surrounding landscape was uplifted, forming the canyon.

What Edge actually said in Message 840 was this:

He was arguing that the layers of the Grand Canyon Supergroup could not have been pushed up into the layers of the Tapeats and above without disturbing them. He was pointing out that the rocks have to have somewhere to move, which is only true at the surface.

--Percy

Message 846 of 894 (820313) 09-19-2017 7:55 AM

Reply to: Message 845 by Percy 09-19-2017 7:46 AM

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Message 847 of 894 (820314) 09-19-2017 7:57 AM

Reply to: Message 843 by Faith 09-19-2017 2:01 AM

You're complaining about a snarky tone after wasting people's time arguing with no evidence or with evidence that has conveniently disappeared?

You have no evidence. What you have is a set of strategies that involve ignoring evidence, ignoring arguments, repeating your original unevidenced positions unchanged over and over again, and distracting attention from the topic by picking fights with other participants.

Sure. See list in previous paragraph.

You have no evidence. Getting a whole world to work together when there's no evidence to tie you down is what writers like Tolkein did. You've composed a geological equivalent of The Hobbit.

--Percy

Message 848 of 894 (820318) 09-19-2017 8:03 AM

Reply to: Message 847 by Percy 09-19-2017 7:57 AM

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Message 849 of 894 (820319) 09-19-2017 8:09 AM

Reply to: Message 843 by Faith 09-19-2017 2:01 AM

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What is the need for the snarky tone?

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To the extent there is one - and it is considerably less snarky than your reply it is probably due to your attempts to shoehorn everything into the scenario you made up without really caring about the evidence.

Now if you want some nasty snark, here is an example:

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know it's galling to you that I don't accept standard geological interpretations and I'm truly sorry that everything I say is so offensive to you.

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It's not your rejection of geology that is galling at all. It's your arrogance and pride and intellectual dishonesty. And you really ought to know that by now.

Message 851 of 894 (820322) 09-19-2017 8:29 AM

Reply to: Message 850 by JonF 09-19-2017 8:22 AM

It didn't work. The person died.

Then he wrote that the death of that person is also a miracle and somehow Jesus.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Message 852 of 894 (820323) 09-19-2017 8:35 AM

Reply to: Message 843 by Faith 09-19-2017 2:01 AM

Furthermore, you are not building a model, nor getting it to work together. You are simply trying to prop up a preconceived idea with ad hoc explanations and assertions.

Message 853 of 894 (820355) 09-19-2017 1:21 PM

Reply to: Message 390 by PaulK 09-13-2017 2:54 AM

It drives me crazy when she just Faith has not yet responded to messages that absolutely sink her magical ship.

Can you please respond to this Faith?
This is a significant point! These were NOT formed during the flood?

Can I tag her in this message, similar to Facebook?

Message 854 of 894 (820360) 09-19-2017 1:57 PM

Reply to: Message 853 by Aussie 09-19-2017 1:21 PM

• Faith has ignored 57% of the messages posted to her.

• 22% of Faith's messages are one line or one sentence.

• 13% of Faith's messages are all caps.

• Faith has threatened to abandon the thread three times. Or was it four?

• Faith thinks she's doing great.

--Percy

Message 855 of 894 (820363) 09-19-2017 3:05 PM

Reply to: Message 420 by Faith 09-13-2017 1:15 PM

What of the Bible did you just say that could not be said of the Koran by a Muslim?
Think about this.

The Koran gives evidence galore throughout, historical accounts of Allah's doings in the world, as witnessed by many people who are named, and much of the Koran describes Allah's miraculous doings to verify His deity; but the Bible just assumes the existence of Yahweh and doesn't give one iota of evidence.

Your arguments are middle school Faith.