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Phat Member Posts: 14965 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
I shared this comic earlier and wanted to see your response.
Is that similar to what you do? See something obvious and then attempt to build facts to support it? I concluded as such because of your quotes over at the topic of presuppositionalism.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Phat Member Posts: 14965 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Perhaps the issue is that there is a conflation of belief and science.
My theory is that Faith assumes that because the Bible is true that there must be an alternative hypothesis within science...whereas you come at it from the angle that there is basically but one way to do science. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 233 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, that is not true of the Koran, as I said.
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Percy Member Posts: 19960 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Even when you're off-topic you can't muster a decent evidence-based response. In Message 855 Aussie says:
And you respond with another content-free one-liner:
I'm not trying to discuss the Bible versus the Koran, that's not the topic, but I do want to strongly register my disapproval of your continued incredibly poor contributions. Responses of value do not merely assert or repeat positions but add something new. You know this already, it shouldn't have to be said. You often remind me of an oppositional child who does things simply because they know they shouldn't. --Percy
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 233 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
the number of times you have violated the rule against arguing the person is getting pretty high. And then you actually deny it in at least one place. I'd already answered Aussie, he was just aping me and repeating himself.
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Percy Member Posts: 19960 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.4
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What's this? A reply from Faith? What an unexpected surprise after you ignored my last fourteen messages to you:
There wasn't a single response to a host of my other messages to you, nor to messages from many others in this thread. You seem to be trying to debate by pretending the rebuttals don't exist.
You're like the person who when told they're being rude says, "How rude of you to tell me I'm rude." I'm not arguing the person. I'm noting your many violations of the Forum Guidelines, specifically these:
You've been especially bad about #4.
You mean I pointed out how I was merely accurately describing your bad behavior. If you don't like your bad behavior being called to your attention then stop behaving badly.
Well now you're just misrepresenting and lying again. Aussie was pointing out that the same claim you make for God and Bible can be made for Allah and the Koran. And then he backed it up in Message 855 when he said this:
Which you dismissed with a content-free one-liner, which I then brought to your attention that you were debating in bad faith yet again. You can yet redeem yourself by actually participating in the discussion, or you can continue turning this thread into a travesty of a discussion with your one-liner messages and all-caps and constant repetitions of arguments rebutted many times and avoidance of messages containing rebuttals and personal attacks on people who have done nothing more than disagree with you. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix dBCode error. Edited by Percy, : Correct message count.
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined:
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Nice Faith. Up to two lines here. Your rebuttals are the definition of the same old same old. Your arrogance is astounding. You keep restating your position after being shown it is wrong... it is beyond apparent even to us non-scientists that you are wrong. The concepts are put down clearly and consisely, usually with great patience...in a way that should be easy to grasp. And then you hand wave away that effort in a single mocking line, stating to the effect that your lack of expertise is somehow equal to a genuine expert's expertise in a debate. This is not at all equal; this is actual, professional expertise versus your actual ignorance of science. This is not a fair fight, and you are not doing well. You are being used as a mop in this debate, and floor is getting very clean. I'm cringing while reading you posts, because it is evident you don't have a single clue. Not one. Such astounding arrogance for such little knowledge. At least have the humility to pretend to try to learn something here? "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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RAZD Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: Which of coarse IS cognitive dissonance. Insulting people is part of cognitive dissonance, refusal to accept objective empirical evidence that contradicts strongly held beliefs is cognitive dissonance, yelling in ALL CAPS is cognitive dissonance, bemoaning that nobody accepts your arguments is cognitive dissonance, repeating falsified arguments as if the refutations never existed is cognitive dissonance, claiming you have presented evidence when none has been presented is cognitive dissonance ... I could go on, but it is quite evident that cognitive dissonance plays a large role in the manner of her posts. Sorry, but I just could not let this go without comment. The evidence is in this thread, and that's why I am posting it here. The earth is very, very, very old, and has existed billions of years without even a half vast world-wide flood. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined:
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Good grief. Orbital mechanics does not require faith. There is a vast body of evidence going back centuries, all pointing to the virtual certainty that 1) the sun will rise tomorrow morning. You can find for yourself that exact minute of sunrise online with a 10 second google search. You can verify for yourself through a few mornings' worth of experimentation, that we know through accumulated centuries of evidence gathering, that the sun will rise in the morning. Scripture says that faith is "The substance of things not seen...." and the sunrise has been seen by every believer, and every non-believer in every religion that has ever existed. Astronomers didn't have faith the solar eclipse was going to occur last month; they knew it as a FACT, and thousands of people spent millions of dollars to be in the exact, predicted path of the shadow at the exact predicted moment. Not faith. Fact. Reality. How much sillier to call a simple sunrise an act of faith? Can we please stop pretending what faith is? Things UNSEEN... belief in things with NO supporting evidence. Edited by Aussie, : spelling and grammer. Edited by Aussie, : good grief. GrammAr... "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined: |
* Deleted redundant post*
Edited by Aussie, : Redundant post... "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined: |
Typing in ALL CAPS does not make your position more reasonable Faith. "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined:
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Percy writes:
I know I'm only a career lurker here, but I've lurked around enough to recognize that I think this is exactly what Faith wants. She yells and screams at the top of her lungs until you tell her to take a break. Then she can secretly chalk up her short suspension on "Persecution of Christians", without actually having to go through real persecution, and then come back later and hope we don't notice that she is recycling her worn-out ideas all over again. I can almost hear her in a ladys' Bible study group asking for prayers for strength and wisdom in the face of her battle with the "Atheistic Scientists." She probably has them eating out of her hand. "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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RAZD Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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So I'm going to ask again, Faith ...
Can you explain to me why the fish fossils prove the layers are not annual?
Unless the bottom was anoxic, a not unusual situation: quote: ... In fact that would make fossilization more likely than oxygenated lakes. Large flat lakes with minimal outlet flow would concentrate salts in the depth (Salt Lake anyone?). So I can easily explain the existence of fossils that extend through several layers of sediment, with science, with known processes that we can see in the world today, with objective empirical evidence ... without making anything up. Meanwhile you still have no explanation for the formation of the varve couplets ... which, curiously, is the evidence you need to deal with ... 6 million of them. Claiming that the magical mystery tour flying carpet flood somehow managed to do this by an unknown, unobserved, unevidenced, scientifically impossible process ... is in fact invoking a miracle, not science. It's the definition of a miracle isn't it? Something that science can't explain? Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Aussie Member Posts: 267 From: Sanford, FL USA Joined:
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Are you really the only one who can't see this sad pattern, Faith? These are all from the same six sentence post! You have built an inpenetrable wall of ignorance around your faith. A HUUUUUUGE wall, that Mexico is not going to pay for. It is truly a sad sight to behold, and you are the only one that has to pay for it. Please find the humility to learn something from someone who knows more than you. "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 233 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Turns out he's a she.
The final chapter in the hawk's story as they take her to a park and let her fly into the woods.
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