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Faith 
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Message 481 of 606 (830222)
03-25-2018 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by PaulK
03-25-2018 11:08 AM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
The evidence that the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln is excellent, tracked down in many news reports of the time. Paul Serup did very thorough research over many years.
1 Samuel 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
Note she had "a familiar spirit" which is a demon.
1Sa 28:8-12 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
Yes she was shocked to realize she was talking to King Saul, but how did she know it was Saul? Because the real Samuel had appeared, which she obviously was not expecting, because real people don't come back from the dead. The real Samuel would only have appeared at God's command because it was Saul who was committing this sin of seeking him through a witch. So what did she usually get when she asked for a person to appear: a demonic impersonation.
So anyway I thought Vallee's observations of the UFO accounts very interesting though better explained by demons.
Or better still explained without invoking the supernatural - at least once any distortions or inaccuracies Vallee might have introduced are removed.
He observed that the way folklore beings behaved was similar to the way UFOs behave. Appearing and disappearing instantaneously for instance, suddenly moving from one place to another in a flash and so on.
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Phat
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Message 482 of 606 (830223)
03-25-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 481 by Faith
03-25-2018 11:25 AM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
As for the NT Lipids Powder, I'll be able to tell if it is a simple placebo or if it actually works within six months. Hopefully, my intuition was right in this case.

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PaulK
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Message 483 of 606 (830224)
03-25-2018 11:45 AM
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03-25-2018 11:25 AM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
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The evidence that the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln is excellent, tracked down in many news reports of the time. Paul Serup did very thorough research over many years.
It’s funny that he couldn’t produce anything of significance when he was here, then.
quote:
Note she had "a familiar spirit" which is a demon.
That seems to be a questionable interpretation made by the translator. Most seem to simply say that she is a medium.
quote:
Yes she was shocked to realize she was talking to King Saul, but how did she know it was Saul? Because the real Samuel had appeared, which she obviously was not expecting, because real people don't come back from the dead. The real Samuel would only have appeared at God's command because it was Saul who was committing this sin of seeking him through a witch.
And here we see your methods in action, clutching at any excuse to justify a conclusion decided in advance. There is nothing there to justify your claim that she usually saw demonic imitations - since only she could see the spirits why would a demon bother with an imitation, except to fool her? And if she was fooled why would she be surprised at seeing a real person? Not to mention that it seems contradictory to claim that real people don’t come back and to assert that the real Samuel did.
quote:
He observed that the way folklore beings behaved was similar to the way UFOs behave. Appearing and disappearing instantaneously for instance, suddenly moving from one place to another in a flash and so on.
There might be another reason why UFOs are like fairy tale creatures.

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jar
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Message 484 of 606 (830225)
03-25-2018 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Phat
03-25-2018 11:20 AM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
Phat writes:
Of course, a majority of Americans belong to your oft-touted "culture of ignorance" and I have learned how to think analytically from time to time, but both Faith and I are too old (and tired)to bother with such tedious work in most cases.
Correct. It is far easier to not have to actually do the research and just believe the snake oil salesmen.
Phat writes:
It just frustrates us that so many of you refuse to believe or engage in intuition but would rather be forever analytical and methodical.
Your willful ignorance or frustration is simply Not My Problem. If you choose not to do the work necessary and instead trust intuition then you get the world you create.
Phat writes:
Note this article: How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God where the argument is made that Religious belief drops when analytical thinking rises.
Thank God that appears to be true. Most religious beliefs just like God should be thrown away and critical thinking is a great tool that helps people Throw God Away.
That is a GREAT blessing.
Phat writes:
The method which Faith has chosen is intuition, not critical nor tedious analytical thinking.
Sad, pitiful in fact but certainly true.

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PaulK
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Message 485 of 606 (830226)
03-25-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Phat
03-25-2018 11:20 AM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
quote:
Note this article: How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God where the argument is made that Religious belief drops when analytical thinking rises. You have been taught to critically examine everything and to throw away concepts that clash with logic, reason, and reality. Some of us are more intuitive, however.
Let’s note that that is a criticism of religion, not of critical thinking.
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It is my opinion that Dr.Nicolsons videos are not an advertisement.
I’ve watched the one you embedded and it sure sounds like one. The fact that they repeatedly drop the brand name and only mention rival producers to disparage them rather points that way, for a start.
quote:
What are your sound reasons PaulK? I would like to hear your analytical thinking on this.
It’s sold as a supplement - which means it may be unnecessary for anyone with a decent diet - with the usual disclaimer denying any medical claims. Or in other words their evidence is certainly not good enough for the FDA.
And the advertisement makes me want to check the studies even more. The claimed results sound like things that could be placebo effects - only the study could rule that out. The claim that the specific brand was used in the study is another thing I would want to check (and the reasons why!). The assertion that all the ingredients can be found in ordinary food make it sound of questionable value, too. Were all the people in the study not getting enough of the necessary substances through their diet?

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Faith 
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Message 486 of 606 (830227)
03-25-2018 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by Phat
03-25-2018 11:36 AM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
It's no placebo, Phat, I do trust Nicolson when he said those in the clinical trial felt they benefitted enough from it to want to continue it. It may not work for everyone, nothing does, but you are probably among the majority who will benefit. That's my guess, based on my judgment, or "intuition" of Nicolson's truthfulness and understanding. I hope you enjoy a great improvement in energy. I can't afford it myself right now but if you give it a good review I might consider it later.
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Faith 
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Message 487 of 606 (830228)
03-25-2018 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by PaulK
03-25-2018 11:45 AM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
I don't think the kind of evidence Serup collected would be easily reproducible at EvC. He has pages of photographs of newspaper clippings for instance. Or perhaps he was so badly treated here he didn't think it worth it. He admonished me to leave this benighted place.
A medium is a person who consorts with demons, just as witches do.
And here we see your methods in action, clutching at any excuse to justify a conclusion decided in advance. There is nothing there to justify your claim that she usually saw demonic imitations - since only she could see the spirits why would a demon bother with an imitation, except to fool her? And if she was fooled why would she be surprised at seeing a real person? Not to mention that it seems contradictory to claim that real people don’t come back and to assert that the real Samuel did.
I don't have such ideas in advance, I learn them from such passages as this one and from such studies as Vallee's.
Witches and mediums know they are dealing with demons and with their deceptions, she wasn't fooled. There's no contradiction. God suspends His own rules for His own purposes, and catching out King Saul was clearly His purpose.
it's plain to anyone reading that passage that the witch of Endor was shocked upon seeing Samuel and that's how she knew the disguised man was Saul. It was the moment she saw Samuel that she knew.
There might be another reason why UFOs are like fairy tale creatures
Oh I'm sure, the usual far-fetched "scientific" delusion that there is such a thing as shared hallucinations or something like that. That is far more unlikely than that the phenomena are real though misinterpreted, from the fairy tales to the UFOs.

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Faith 
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Message 488 of 606 (830229)
03-25-2018 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by jar
03-25-2018 12:03 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
Just for the record, I do not agree with Phat that this is about intuition versus critical thinking. I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian. I think many people here who tout the methods of science are actually very bad at it.

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PaulK
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Message 489 of 606 (830230)
03-25-2018 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Faith
03-25-2018 1:47 PM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
quote:
I don't think the kind of evidence Serup collected would be easily reproducible at EvC. He has pages of photographs of newspaper clippings for instance
Which can be scanned and posted as images, or even transcribed.
quote:
Or perhaps he was so badly treated here he didn't think it worth it. He admonished me to leave this benighted place.
In other words he ran away because he didn’t have any decent evidence.
The thread is still here. Paul Serup Answers Theodoric: Credibility of Authors and Book
quote:
I don't have such ideas in advance, I learn them from such passages as this one and from such studies as Vallee's.
Often you have decided on the conclusion when you look for excuses.
quote:
Witches and mediums know they are dealing with demons and with their deceptions, she wasn't fooled. There's no contradiction. God suspends His own rules for His own purposes, and catching out King Saul was clearly His purpose.
And there is an example. None of that is in the story. And it is pretty silly to think that demons were trying to fool anyone with their appearance if nobody could actually see them.
quote:
it's plain to anyone reading that passage that the witch of Endor was shocked upon seeing Samuel and that's how she knew the disguised man was Saul. It was the moment she saw Samuel that she knew.
But it is NOT plain that it was about Samuel being real or that other spirits she saw were not. That’s not in the text at all - even in the translations.
quote:
Oh I'm sure, the usual far-fetched "scientific" delusion that there is such a thing as shared hallucinations or something like that. That is far more unlikely than that the phenomena are real though misinterpreted, from the fairy tales to the UFOs.
More likely mistakes, compounded by confabulation, inaccurate reporting and imagined details. The canals on Mars might be a case in point. Schiaparelli thought he saw channels - canali in Italian. The word got mistranslated as canals, and a vast and largely imaginary network was drawn by some observers.

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PaulK
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Message 490 of 606 (830232)
03-25-2018 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Faith
03-25-2018 1:57 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
quote:
I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian.
I can believe that there was no change. However we have plenty of evidence that you are not a critical thinker.

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Faith 
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Message 491 of 606 (830234)
03-25-2018 2:20 PM
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03-25-2018 2:09 PM


Re: NT Energy Lipids Powder
Vallee apparently saw a pattern, MANY reports with similar descriptions, that's not like one man's seeing something on Mars that others misinterpreted. Mistakes get made all the time, but consistency in folklore tales suggests something objectively real. Perfection isn't needed, just a large collection of general similarities..

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Faith 
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Message 492 of 606 (830236)
03-25-2018 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by PaulK
03-25-2018 2:16 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
You have plenty of evidence that I don't agree with most of you here, which is not the same thing.

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jar
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Message 493 of 606 (830237)
03-25-2018 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Faith
03-25-2018 1:57 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
Faith writes:
I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian.
Yet post after post from you declares that you refuse to be a critical thinker or even have a clue what critical thinking or even thinking envolves.
Sorry Faith but when you claim to think critically you are simply posting yet another falsehood.
In Message 400 you posted " I'm not interested in the studies enough to put in the effort. I don't think they are important, as I said, and enough information has been given in the films anyway. "
In Message 358 you posted "Actually God made all creatures herbivores originally. It was after the Flood that God told Noah to begin eating meat. No explanation was given but my guess would be it was the most efficient way to get all the nutrients into our systems after the Fall started the process of deterioration of all our food sources. "
In Message 384 you posted " I admit I'm not good at keeping track of sources, but the information in these films is very convincing."
And you posted " I'm properly evaluating it, I expect intelligent people to take my word for it. " in Message 391.
Faith I am happy to continue quoting your posts and be assured I can produce many hundreds such examples but it is simply not true that you think critically.
Granted it is not just you, the suspension of honesty and critical thinking are the very basis of modern Conservative Evangelical Biblical Christianity; particularly all of the Calvinist and Inerrancy Chapters of Club Christian.

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Faith 
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Message 494 of 606 (830240)
03-25-2018 3:04 PM
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03-25-2018 2:38 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
Interesting. You just showed that you don't know what critical thinking is.

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Message 495 of 606 (830241)
03-25-2018 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Faith
03-25-2018 1:57 PM


Re: And once again Faith posts utter false nonsense.
Faith writes:
I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian. I think many people here who tout the methods of science are actually very bad at it.
I just thought this statement bore some repetition.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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