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Its not just Rosedales idea.

Oh no. There are reputable people working on diet-based approaches to treating diabetes. I don't dispute that and never have.

There are reputable studies that tote the effectiveness of reduced insulin and low carb diets fior diabetics.

Did you even read the study you cite? None of those patients were even on insulin.

Mutate and Survive

Come argue with me in my thread.

There's nothing to argue. Idon't dispute that diabetes can be treated by diet.

I have science on my side regarding the approach to tackling Type II Diabetes, unless you can find information which disproves Dr.Jason Fung---which I doubt you will find.

You haven't presented anything to refute. I don't argue bare links or Youtube videos.

Just because someone sells books does not automatically qualify them as being a quack.

I didn't say it did. You claimed, quite wrongly, that Rosedale wasn't selling anything. I pointed out that he was and that he is planning on re-entering the supplement industry.

Take this over here at Health 4 Life~The Science Behind Consumption and I again challenge you to refute dr.Fung.

You haven't presented anything to refute.

What do you want me to say? Fung seems more sensible than Rosdale, sure.

Unlike Mercola, Dr.Fung is an actual practicing Doctor.

I have no idea whether he practises or not, but Mercola is a qualified osteopathic doctor for whatever that's worth. He is still a quack. I have no opinion on Fung.

You got me a little on Rosedale, but I still believe his science is sound---apart from his ignorance in his talk which you found.

This is a man who will lie to your face and tell you that there are no drugs to reduce cancer risk when in fact there are many such drugs. Lies are not sound science.

Mutate and Survive

You haven't presented anything to refute. I don't argue bare links or Youtube videos.

OK, here is my basic argument.

We all agree that diet is an individual issue. For me, the low carbohydrate approach is the best option. My Endocrinologist disagrees with me. In a sense, I am arguing against her. (I see her again Thursday)

Phat writes: We all agree that diet is an individual issue.

No we don't, that's a rediculous idea. We are omnivores, our bodies rely on us getting enough of the things we need to grow and stay healthy - carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, fats etc etc. If we eat a varied diet of fruit, vegitables and meat we'll have everything we need and there's no need to even think about it.

If we start fadding about food and cut out chunks of a normal diet or eating far too much or eating some things far more than others we're going to have problems of one sort or another.

There are some people who have genetic or other conditions that means that they can't metabolise food properly and these people need supplements or other interventions but these are relatively rare and require medical advice.

To mess about with weird and wonderful snake oil diets is downright dangerous.

I agree that snake oil diets are dangerous. What I will maintain is that low carb diets are the healthiest way treat obesity and specifically type 2 diabetes. For many years the medical establishment was too dense to see this fact. They failed to see that the main cause of insulin resistance was insulin itself.

Phat writes: I agree that snake oil diets are dangerous. What I will maintain is that low carb diets are the healthiest way treat obesity....

No specific faddy diet works - they're ALL snake oil. The only thing that does work in the long run is eating less, eating better and breaking bad habbits.

... and specifically type 2 diabetes.

I know nothing about this but NHS guidance seems sensible to me

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There's nothing you can't eat if you have type 2 diabetes, but you'll have to limit certain foods.
You should:
eat a wide range of foods – including fruit, vegetables and some starchy foods like pasta
keep sugar, fat and salt to a minimum
eat breakfast, lunch and dinner every day – don't skip meals
If you need to change your diet, it might be easier to make small changes every week.

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But if it was me I'd take advice from a couple of specialists rather thatn self-medicate.

We all agree that diet is an individual issue. For me, the low carbohydrate approach is the best option. My Endocrinologist disagrees with me. In a sense, I am arguing against her. (I see her again Thursday)

That is not an argument. That's just you asserting that your doctor is wrong because she could be wrong.

But if it was me I'd take advice from a couple of specialists rather thatn self-medicate.

Not I. The Doctors had their chance to manage my diabetes and they only ended up making it worse. To be fair, so did I...I was the one who suggested that I go on long-acting insulin initially many years ago. My logic then was that it would "preserve my beta cells from burning out" but in retrospect, it was a bad decision.

I will, therefore, inform them of what my diet will be, what my medications will be and in what doses. Their only job will be to monitor my results. If they don't accept my terms, they are fired and I shall find Doctors who understand the truth. Dont worry...I will have some Doctor monitoring my blood, but never again will I trust the established medical wisdom. It is simply wrong.

Oh well, good luck with that.

Tangle writes: We are omnivores, our bodies rely on us getting enough of the things we need to grow and stay healthy - carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, fats etc etc. If we eat a varied diet of fruit, vegetables and meat we'll have everything we need and there's no need to even think about it.

Except that our society at large is way out of balance regarding carbohydrates and processed foods. Diabetics (Type II) are specifically insulin resistant and in order to address the problem of insulin resistance, lowering carbohydrates and rebalancing the system is more of a priority than lowering blood sugar numbers by prescribing insulin. I would really rather discuss this in my own thread, however.

Tangle, to Faith writes: I wouldn't have objections if what you were talking about was based on substantial, medical research - not celebrity crank food fads. Get your information from decent sources-- not youtubes and fanatics.

Some YouTube sources are also scientifically based, like the video that I posted in my thread on Caloric Restriction vs Endocrine System.

Despite your claims that it is magical quick-fix thinking, I see it as valid science and will adjust my diet accordingly. as for good luck I don't believe in luck.

Phat writes: Despite your claims that it is magical quick-fix thinking, I see it as valid science and will adjust my diet accordingly.

I know what you see it as Phat. But you have a better chance of being right if you go with mainstream medicine that has multiple pieces of research to support it.

as for good luck I don't believe in luck.

You're full of contradictions. If you didn't believe in luck you wouldn't gamble - you'd know the game was rigged.

Phat writes: The Doctors had their chance to manage my diabetes and they only ended up making it worse.

If it got worse, why do you blame that on the doctors?

If it got worse, why do you blame that on the doctors?

Because they did not warn me that increasing the insulin would, in fact, increase the insulin resistance and cause weight gain. You have to understand that they get paid by the pharmaceutical companies for conducting studies usingnew drugs recently approved by the F.D.A. My Endocrinologist talked me into using Trulicity which I discontinued on my own after observing the way that I felt while taking it and while not taking it. The bottom line as to how I felt all went back to diet. In traditional medicine, Endocrinologists are taught to treat a number. Lowering the blood sugar is their primary goal. Nutrition, though discussed, never is seen as a way to lower the need for insulin but rather to complement it. This type of thinking is what is being challenged by me and I will find out this week whether or not I was right or whether I was again hoping for a chance fantasy.

Phat writes: The bottom line as to how I felt all went back to diet.

That's in the neighbourhood of the placebo effect, isn't it? If you think the pill is working, you do feel better. But similarly, if you make up your mind that the medical treatment isn't going to work, you're making up your mind to not feel better.

Phat writes: ... I will find out this week whether or not I was right or whether I was again hoping for a chance fantasy.

Watch out for confirmation bias.

I don't know and I don't have the energy to try to find out. Please just ignore whatever I've said, I have to stop posting, I'm tired, I feel rotten, I can't deal with any of this right now although I keep trying. I have to stop. Thanks.

First, it is wise that you recognize your subtle blogging/internet addiction. I wouldn't say that it is a major problem at your age unless it keeps you from doing other things more likely to help you regain physical mobility, mental stimulus, and emotional support. As POGO said, "we have met the enemy and he is us."

Find out everything that you can about severe arthritis, what specifically causes the pain, how it gets worse and what natural plant-based solutions make it any better. Don't ignore the medical solutions and prescriptions that your Doctors give you unless they also have documented and undesirable side effects to your overall health. Quality of life is overall the main concern here, and each of us deals with specific health issues unique to us.

RAZD has perhaps the toughest battle among us here at EvC, and I am sure that he is aware of every useful strategy that he can muster to fight his cancer and the discomforts that come along with it. Keep him in prayer. jar has his vertigo, you have your arthritis and a sluggish metabolism, and I have my Type II Diabetes, sleep apnea, and neural complications. We are all getting older, and though we will never be 30 again, we can be the best that we can realistically be for our respective ages.