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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2380 From: UK Joined: |
Oh no. There are reputable people working on diet-based approaches to treating diabetes. I don't dispute that and never have.
Did you even read the study you cite? None of those patients were even on insulin. Mutate and Survive On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2380 From: UK Joined: |
There's nothing to argue. Idon't dispute that diabetes can be treated by diet.
You haven't presented anything to refute. I don't argue bare links or Youtube videos.
I didn't say it did. You claimed, quite wrongly, that Rosedale wasn't selling anything. I pointed out that he was and that he is planning on re-entering the supplement industry.
You haven't presented anything to refute. What do you want me to say? Fung seems more sensible than Rosdale, sure.
I have no idea whether he practises or not, but Mercola is a qualified osteopathic doctor for whatever that's worth. He is still a quack. I have no opinion on Fung.
This is a man who will lie to your face and tell you that there are no drugs to reduce cancer risk when in fact there are many such drugs. Lies are not sound science. Mutate and Survive On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
We all agree that diet is an individual issue. For me, the low carbohydrate approach is the best option. My Endocrinologist disagrees with me. In a sense, I am arguing against her. (I see her again Thursday) Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Tangle Member Posts: 7189 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.6 |
No we don't, that's a rediculous idea. We are omnivores, our bodies rely on us getting enough of the things we need to grow and stay healthy - carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, fats etc etc. If we eat a varied diet of fruit, vegitables and meat we'll have everything we need and there's no need to even think about it. If we start fadding about food and cut out chunks of a normal diet or eating far too much or eating some things far more than others we're going to have problems of one sort or another. There are some people who have genetic or other conditions that means that they can't metabolise food properly and these people need supplements or other interventions but these are relatively rare and require medical advice. To mess about with weird and wonderful snake oil diets is downright dangerous. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I agree that snake oil diets are dangerous. What I will maintain is that low carb diets are the healthiest way treat obesity and specifically type 2 diabetes. For many years the medical establishment was too dense to see this fact. They failed to see that the main cause of insulin resistance was insulin itself.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Tangle Member Posts: 7189 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.6
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No specific faddy diet works - they're ALL snake oil. The only thing that does work in the long run is eating less, eating better and breaking bad habbits.
I know nothing about this but NHS guidance seems sensible to me quote: But if it was me I'd take advice from a couple of specialists rather thatn self-medicate. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
That is not an argument. That's just you asserting that your doctor is wrong because she could be wrong. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I will, therefore, inform them of what my diet will be, what my medications will be and in what doses. Their only job will be to monitor my results. If they don't accept my terms, they are fired and I shall find Doctors who understand the truth. Dont worry...I will have some Doctor monitoring my blood, but never again will I trust the established medical wisdom. It is simply wrong. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Tangle Member Posts: 7189 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.6 |
Oh well, good luck with that.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Except that our society at large is way out of balance regarding carbohydrates and processed foods. Diabetics (Type II) are specifically insulin resistant and in order to address the problem of insulin resistance, lowering carbohydrates and rebalancing the system is more of a priority than lowering blood sugar numbers by prescribing insulin. I would really rather discuss this in my own thread, however.
Some YouTube sources are also scientifically based, like the video that I posted in my thread on Caloric Restriction vs Endocrine System. Despite your claims that it is magical quick-fix thinking, I see it as valid science and will adjust my diet accordingly. as for good luck I don't believe in luck. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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Tangle Member Posts: 7189 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.6
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I know what you see it as Phat. But you have a better chance of being right if you go with mainstream medicine that has multiple pieces of research to support it.
You're full of contradictions. If you didn't believe in luck you wouldn't gamble - you'd know the game was rigged. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 17653 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
If it got worse, why do you blame that on the doctors? An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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ringo Member Posts: 17653 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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That's in the neighbourhood of the placebo effect, isn't it? If you think the pill is working, you do feel better. But similarly, if you make up your mind that the medical treatment isn't going to work, you're making up your mind to not feel better.
Watch out for confirmation bias. ![]() An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 13365 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
First, it is wise that you recognize your subtle blogging/internet addiction. I wouldn't say that it is a major problem at your age unless it keeps you from doing other things more likely to help you regain physical mobility, mental stimulus, and emotional support. As POGO said, "we have met the enemy and he is us." Find out everything that you can about severe arthritis, what specifically causes the pain, how it gets worse and what natural plant-based solutions make it any better. Don't ignore the medical solutions and prescriptions that your Doctors give you unless they also have documented and undesirable side effects to your overall health. Quality of life is overall the main concern here, and each of us deals with specific health issues unique to us. RAZD has perhaps the toughest battle among us here at EvC, and I am sure that he is aware of every useful strategy that he can muster to fight his cancer and the discomforts that come along with it. Keep him in prayer. jar has his vertigo, you have your arthritis and a sluggish metabolism, and I have my Type II Diabetes, sleep apnea, and neural complications. We are all getting older, and though we will never be 30 again, we can be the best that we can realistically be for our respective ages. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)
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