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Tangle
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Message 48 of 88 (820043)
09-16-2017 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Porkncheese
09-15-2017 11:15 PM


Re: creationist vs athiest radicals
PnC writes:

The hardcore atheists (not you) claim everything is scientifically proven, that we know it all but there are variations in opinions between evolutionists as well.

They do not.

I am a 'hardcore atheist'. No atheist I have ever met would make such a ludicrous claim. Not least because it's easily proven to be wrong. You've been told this several times.

You need to learn to be careful with your statements and assertions.


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Message 51 of 88 (820047)
09-16-2017 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Porkncheese
09-16-2017 5:16 AM


Re: creationist vs athiest radicals
PnC writes:

You guys think im making this up?

Yes.

These following quotes are from a top ToE scientist in his book
"The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution (2009)"

Page 8: " Evolution is a fact. Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact. The evidence for evolution is at least as strong as the evidence for the Holocaust, even allowing for eye witnesses to the Holocaust. It is the plain truth that we are cousins of chimpanzees, somewhat more distant cousins of monkeys, more distant cousins still of aardvarks and manatees, yet more distant cousins of bananas and turnips... continue the list as long as desired." etc etc

You REALLY need to take care with your words. You're training to be a scientist, you will be picked up every time you make an inaccurate or plainly erronious statement. This is what you claimed:

quote:
The hardcore atheists (not you) claim everything is scientifically proven, that we know it all but there are variations in opinions between evolutionists as well.

Now where in your answer does the word 'atheist' appear? Nowhere right?

You have conflated atheists with scientists. Very few, if any, atheists would claim that the absence of god is proven nor even that 'everything is scientifically proven'. It's a totally ludicrous position.

As for the ToE being a scientific fact - it is. Just as much as any other scientific theory.

Coming from mainstream science ok. Unscientific Atheist with these kind of false convictions are a dime a dozen.

There you go again - atheist does not equal scientist. And the ToE is not a false conviction. You're confusing confirmed scientific conclusions with total certainty. The ToE is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean it's utterly impossible that it's wrong, it means that we are as certain as it is possible to be that it is. But it can still be proven to be wrong.

Add to this the deliberate evolutionary frauds that have been presented to the mainstream as fact. Pitdown man. Nebraska man. Java man. U guys heard of these ye? A willingness and drive to fabricate evidence. That's extreme.

You're kidding? Who was it that debunked the 19th century frauds? Yes, scientists. Science corrects mistakes even when the mistakes are helpful to their ideas. What difference did it make to the theory? None at all.

Perhaps you need to take care with your personal attacks. One might take those accusations of yours the wrong way. Get all emotional and shit.

You need to differentiate between being corrected for loose assertions and personal attacks, if you don't you'll have a hard time with your studies.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 63 of 88 (820136)
09-16-2017 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Porkncheese
09-16-2017 9:52 AM


Re: Fictional illustrations
PnC writes:

This idea is total garbage.

It contains a lot of mistakes - very grievous ones at that. But what point are you trying to make?

Is it that some very old ideas were wrong? Do you think any modern biologist thinks that that sort of thing is correct? How many doctors still bleed their patients do you think? How many don't bother washing their hands before operating? Scientific knowledge progresses by throwing out poor ideas and adding better ones - it's a process of continuous learning.

To find that sort of stuff and think it worthy of posting tells us only that you're spending a lot of time getting your 'information' from creationist web sites. Now why would you do that as a scientist? Do you go to religious sites to find out how to build bridges? Does the fact that a series of 19th century cast iron bridges failed under dynamic load mean that we can't make modern bridges out of modern materials?

Your reasoning is all over the place and heavily influenced by people with primitive belief systems.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 66 of 88 (820153)
09-16-2017 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Porkncheese
09-16-2017 3:04 PM


Re: Confession
Classic denial.

Take some time out and think about it carefully. Your parents' beliefs have nothing to do with whether the ToE is true or not or whether you can believe in god and also accept the ToE.

You're beginning an independent life, it requires independent thought. Make your peace with your parents but keep religion and Darwin out of it. There's more to life.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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