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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And you didn't mention any of the other fossils, but instead mentioned the Laetoli footprints. The obvious inference is that you are not aware of the other fossils.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson say that 15% of top ToE scienctists in the highest academy or something are creos. (not sure how cos the adam and eve yarn goes up in flames). Even them? I can't find any trace of this. But maybe some are. Based on my experience yes, even them. I've been involved in this debate for 20-ish years and haven't come across any valid science that supports their claims. I've seen some doozies of frauds.
How about if a piece of data is found that may support one of their things. When and if that happens we'll deal with the evidence as it stands. So far there haven't been any opportunities to test the question.
Are scientists also dismissing without prejudice? Mostly they are ignoring. For good reason. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
which lead to hysteria, propaganda and painting a picture we are not 100% sure about Examples, please. Especially hysteria.
But there is also a very good chance that particular species is not related directly related to humans as suggested in the doco. If "not related directly" means "not our ancestors", nobody knowledgeable claims that particular species is our ancestors. In general we cannot identify direct descendents of any fossil. It's pretty certain they are our nth cousins, where n is a huge number.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's worthwhile pointing out that there are some honest creationist writings, but they are about creationist claims rather than mainstream topics. Dr. Aardsma eviscerated Setterfield's "C-decay" nonsense (and parted ways with the ICR later for unspecified reasons). Dr. Vardeman wrote several papers about the impossible thermodynamics of a vapor canopy (but couldn't avoid adding some apologetics in the discussion). There are others I don't recall right now.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
But I noticed some arguments questioning its accuracy. U may of heard of them.
Almost certainly I or others here have, and know why they are fraudulent.
One was of a lava flow that was 10 years old. The decay rate of 5 or 6 elements where measured. The results where in a range of 20,000ya to hundreds of millions of years ago. Nitpicking: it isn't the decay rate that's measured. Sounds like my personal favorite creationist fraud. Snelling wrote two articles on it, one for the sheeple and one "technical". In the latter, but not the former he gave away the gaff, and all you need to know is that "whole rock" means the entire rock, not any individual mineral from the rock, and "xenolith", literally foreign rock, means a piece of an older rock that didn't melt embedded in a younger rock.
ANDESITE FLOWS AT MT NGAURUHOE, NEW ZEALAND, AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR POTASSIUM-ARGON "DATING":
quote: TL : DR version: Snelling dated a mixture of old and new material and expressed amazement that the date came out as older than the new material. Duh. He presented no data for his claim that the xenoliths were not important. {Also he could have used the much more robust Ar-Ar method, and/or extracted samples of the new material if possible and likely gotten a valid result)
And others of living specimens that have dated back millions of years. There's several frauds that could be described as that. Carbon dating works for samples that were in equilibrium with atmospheric 14C when they left this vale of tears. Marine animals are not in equilibrium with atmospheric 14C because at least some of their carbon comes from ancient deposits dissolved in the water, and essentially all of the 14C in such deposits has decayed. Again it's a mixture of old and new material. There are correction factors which one can apply.
A freshly killed seal was carbon-14 dated at 1300 years old.Living snails were carbon-14 dated at 2,300 and 27,000 years old, showing that the dating method is invalid. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Surely u don't condone the frauds and hoaxes fabricated by these fanatics over the years. Name some such frauds and hoaxes. There were a few relevant ones, but scientists are the ones who uncovered them. Please stop conflating scientists and atheists.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Evolution has happened. That is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution explains how and why evolution happened. The theory is not the fact that it happened. The map is not the territory. It's true; the case for evolution happening is watertight even without fossils. Piltdown man was a fraud. It was suspect from the beginning. Scientists uncovered the fraud. CC001: Piltdown Man. Nebraska man was a case of over-extrapolation. CC002: Nebraska Man:
quote: Java man was another case of over-extrapolation but was quickly debunked. By scientists. See Creationist Arguments: Java Man. You are obviously using solely creationist sources. They are not trustworthy. Not a one of them. Broaden your horizons.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You guys said no one claims it to be fact, show me where. I showed you where. Dawkins. He did not claim the theory of evolution is a fact. It is a fact that evolution happened. You need to be more precise.
I read or hear one side and then i read and hear the other side ok So far the arguments you have introduced are from creationists alone, and you obviously have made no effort to investigate other sources on those claims.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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That plate is from 1905. There were many errors in it. They have been corrected. That plate is no longer relevant other than to historians.
Let's see your evidence for your claim that "Invented for one purpose only. Creationists". Your aura of impartiality is slipping. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I should have said the creationist claims about it were debunked. From my link:
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