The Tension of Faith

Because it says that all the folk in the Calvinist Chapter of Club Christian are the ones God chose; the Elect. A popular bumper sticker is the "Not perfect, just forgiven".

LOLAnytime someone today brings up the topic of Witchcraft the only proper response is to laugh at them and when they say something as silly as "Intimidation is a form of fleshly witchcraft. Purposely ignoring people to 'teach them a lesson' can be a form of fleshly witchcraft. Manipulation tactics, like pouting and crying to get people to do what you want or make them feel guilty, are forms of fleshly witchcraft. " which explains why "Spirit-led Christians" are the prime example of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Until there is evidence of either angels or demons we can honestly say that quirks are not inspired by angels or demons or witchcraft. To do so carries the same worth and relevance as claiming that the cause was unicorns and far less validity than claiming that the cause was bad burritos. There IS evidence for the existence of bad burritos.

Yet you can never explain what that even means.

Then maybe you need to try to figure out why that causes great anxiety.

Yet you have said that how your dad treated you enabled and encouraged your feeling of entitlement.And that also led to your gambling...that you deserved to win the lottery.

Sorry but I am quite sure WE never had that question. I certainly didn't and have no idea what that would even mean.

But the world is not materialistic.It really is that simple.Some people may be materialistic, but even there it is seldom that simple. People experience. People are complex. Experiences are varied and those varied experiences cause complex reactions in people. Morality comes from experiences and teachings.No God needs to apply.

Actually no, I don't know exactly what you are talking about. Of course I remember that but I also understand that Joe Wood did NOT provide an answer or say Jesus was the message.And look at your response.You say "The message is the Death, Burial, and Resurrection." and I ask, "Is that all you get from Jesus's message?"Look at your response Phat. You go on to say "Christianity is about what YOU do. That's your basic argument. While the other view is that Christianity is about what He did."I agree with what you posted but also find your conclusion worthy of pity. Yes, many many Christian Marketers, lots of pastors and ministers and brothers and apologists do sell that the message is Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection; which makes all of Jesus' life, all of Jesus' teachings, all of Jesus parables, all of Jesus actions pretty much worthless and irrelevant.It seems that for you, Jesus life was pretty much just a waste of time.You claim "While the other view is that Christianity is about what He did." but then deny it is about what Jesus did but only about what was done to Jesus. You simply ignore almost all of what Jesus did and throw away the message.Would it be better if Christians threw away the messenger and instead actually paid attention to the message; to do what Jesus said to do? Not what John said or Paul said or Peter said or Matthew said or Luke said but rather listen to the message Jesus presented?Throw Jesus away Phat but heed the message!

Just remember that "Biblical Christianity" very seldom has any relationship to the Bible.Yes, it can be addicting but addictions can be overcome. It ain't always easy or fun or even rewarding but it can be done.

Too funny.We get to read and we have the great gift from the Garden of Eden, to know right from wrong and so know that the author of Matthew took pieces parts out of context and tried to pretend it was whole cloth. It seems lots of the rubes even bought it.

Too funny Faith.The difference is I am honest about what the Bible actually says while Biblical Christians just make shit up and deny the Bible says what it says.If the Bible is God's word then God can't get the story straight, is often factually wrong and takes passages out of context.The reality that the Bible actually contains what it contains and says what it says is not a problem for me, because I know it is human words, not God's words. That's why there really isn't "The Bible" but rather only the Bible that is chosen by particular chapters of Club Christian.

Which once again simply ignores reality or the issues raised. That is not discussion, not debate, but once again the pattern of simply failing to address issues or respond reasonably.The fact remains that there is no such thing as "The Bible" and that humans wrote the stories in the Bible and that the author of Matthew took Old Testament material out of context and that really are no honest references to Jesus or prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament and that there are contradictions and factual errors in the Biblical tales.

Once again Faith, reality simply shows you are wrong. There is the Protestant Canon and the Roman Catholic Canon and the Ethiopian Long Canon and the Ethiopian Short Canon and the Eritrean Canon and the Samaritan Canon and ...Each Canon was the product of humans. Each Canon selected different stories to be included or excluded. None of the New Testament appears in all the Canons and the only books that are common to all the canon are the first five books of the Old Testament.Those are facts Faith, not just assertions.We have had whole threads devoted to the claimed Prophecies about Jesus and not one, not a single one stood up to examination.That's a fact Faith, not just an assertion.

Once again, reality says you are simply wrong. I have not called anyone names. Again, the FACT, not assertion, is that there are different canons and the Protestant Canon has no more authority or legitimacy than any other Canon. They are NOT all the same.That is a fact Faith, not an assertion. So once again, your only response is to declare yourself correct and present absolutely no evidence or support for your position.There is no such thing as "The Church" just as there is no such thing as "The Bible".