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Phat Member  Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
This is an honest question that has several scientific explanations and fewer sound theological ones, though many theologians simply dont worry about such things. They may say something along the lines of "God surely must have created all of the laws of physics" or something like that. I did a google search and found some interesting responses.
quote: Did the laws of physics apply before the big bang? - QuoraThese guys speculate that the universe may have looked like this early on:
If we approach the question as theologians, we can easily say that God works in mysterious ways...but we really have not thought about how He does it. Science seems more creative. Comments? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith 
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Guido writes: Out of curiosity, what have you been reading and studying lately. If I recall, you were only around 17 when you first came to EvC Forum...now you must be around 26-28. What have you been studying and learning the past ten years? Also what do you think about Intelligent Design? Does it appeal to you at all? As for me, I am fascinated by traditional science but I really dont know a whole lot about the method. Hey. I wish there was a category that could cover both. But I guess the topic should go wherever is most appropriate.Guido writes: lol. How do we know that the plan isnt to change up on us and turn the universe into an elephant? For if the Laws of Physics were not always what they are now, there is no reason for us to be confident that they will always be. And therefore, there is no reason to believe that the universe will not suddenly vanish or change into an elephant. But if there is a Creator who established those Laws, then it makes sense that they should be constant. After all, be honest. Some have suggested turtles. Turtles All The Way Down Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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jar writes: Dr.Stephen Hawking seemingly challenges your assumptions.
The Laws of Physics are simply human creations and of course did not exist before humans created them fairly recently.Before the Big Bang really is another one of those fun games but doesn't have much validity or use. But it was not an explosion or an object but rather simply the point where our current descriptions break down and stop making sense. Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God Physics, not creator, made Big Bang, new book claims Professor had previously referred to 'mind of God' In the new work, The Grand Design, Professor Stephen Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity. (...)"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. Doesnt this imply that the law of gravity existed before humans invented the words to call it a law and the experiments to verify the behavior?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
But there's no reason to suppose that there is anything external making things behave that way. One could argue that everything is basically internal. To me that borders of pantheism, if a spiritual label were attached. But even if not, to say that laws originate with humans is nearly tantamount to saying that anything--God, wisdom, laws, indeed reality itself originates with humans. Which in one sense is arguably true but in another sense obviously ludicrous.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Yellowstone could blow up, too. The chance of that happening is likely greater than the laws of Physics changing.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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