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Author | Topic: The Sudden Dawn of the Cosmos and the Constancy of Physical Laws | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The Laws of Physics are simply human creations and of course did not exist before humans created them fairly recently.
Before the Big Bang really is another one of those fun games but doesn't have much validity or use. But it was not an explosion or an object but rather simply the point where our current descriptions break down and stop making sense. There are lots of kids that say "well something can't come from nothing" but the correct answer at this time is "We don't know that." and NOT try to stick some unevidenced favorite fantasy in as an answer. And can laws change? What we can say is that there is direct and conclusive evidence that for at least the last 14 billion years the properties and processes have remained the same even though the laws do change as we learn more and more about reality. Remember the "Laws" are absolutely nothing but human created and verifiable descriptions of what is seen in reality. The Laws do absolutely nothing but allow us to discuss what is seen. AbE: Also, the idea that constancy might result from acts of some God, particularly the God of the Bible is just silly. The Bible is filled with examples of that God changing her mind or behaving irrationally or changing the rules of nature. No reasonable person would ever trust an existence where the properties and performance were at the whim of anyone so unstable. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Guido writes: How can we rely on the scientific method to conclude anything about nature, if cause and effect being unnecessary, nature is not constant. Yup, another big YAWN. We can look at past experience as I already pointed out to you and see that for at least 14 billion years the processes have been going on pretty much as they do today.
Guido writes: So far the God of the Bible has a perfect track record of keeping His promises and fulfilling prophecy Bullshit. That is utter nonsense as you well know. We have examined Biblical Prophecy numerous times here at EvC and so far almost none have been supportable.
Guido writes: Hebrews says, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever." Which again is one of those loved quote mined lines taken out of context that has absolutely no value or meaning. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin ee in hr
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Doesnt this imply that the law of gravity existed before humans invented the words to call it a law and the experiments to verify the behavior? The property we call gravity is part of the universe itself. The "Law of Gravity" has changed many times in the past as we learn more about the property that we call gravity. But gravity is simply a property of this universe. There is no evidence that it was created or that it could exist separate from this universe itself.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Which in one sense is arguably true but in another sense obviously ludicrous. Is Ganesha obviously ludicrous and Jesus not obviously ludicrous? Is Jesus obviously ludicrous and Ganesha not obviously ludicrous? Reality does not originate with humans but Gods, laws and wisdom do.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Yellowstone could blow up, too. The chance of that happening is likely greater than the laws of Physics changing. There is a near certainty that there will be another Yellowstone Mega eruption. It almost certainly WILL happen since the evidence is that it is a recurring even that has happened many times in the past. A map of prior hotspots with numbers equal date of eruption in millions of years ago from History of Yellowstone Caldera.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Or, like the God in Genesis 2&3 telling you only partial truths, setting you up to fail and lying to you as well.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Plus we have the evidence of Science being self correcting and searching for places where it is wrong while the Biblical Christianity is factually wrong and has a history of not ever correcting factual errors and even denying the obvious factual errors exist.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Guido writes: Therefore, it must have been made by a faithful God, one who upheld it for thousands of years. Good grief Guido; haven't you learned anything at all? Are you still simply set on posting silly assertions that are not just wrong but sophomoric?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Christian7 writes:
What's makes you think this? We know of no causal event for the Big Bang, for virtual particles, or for the time when a radioactive atom decays. Our observations of the natural world reveal some phenomena with causes and some without. Nothing can begin without a cause; the beginning of something is not in itself, therefore an outside being or object began it. What is so funny and typical of the Christian Cult of Ignorance is that if they truly believed such nonsense they also make the God they market irrelevant and impossible.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup.
The Christian Cult of Ignorance loves to wallow in such fantasies.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Guido writes: Maybe you're not an atheists, but many atheists affirm that God is a logical impossibility. Not quite Guido but speaking not as an atheist but as a Christian the God you try to market is both a logical and factual impossibility; it is but the creation of either ignorant or dishonesty or deluded humans. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinMy Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Guido writes: True or false: The universe conforms to what our logic tells us when the arguments are sound? Often false. Often true. More often unknown.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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It's hilarious when folks like Guido point to the Pharaoh without admitting that that story shows God to be capricious, evil, and cruel beyond any possible redemption.
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