The Sudden Dawn of the Cosmos and the Constancy of Physical Laws

In actuality matter and forces at the quantum level can behave quite differently from what classical physics would predict.Two apples separated from their basket are not entangled. Two photons may very well be.For us humans today the physics of the micro and of the macro are described in separate magisteria. We do not know, yet, how to combine them. You sure it wasn't an unfaithful, cruel, bloodthirsty, ogre of a god? How about a rainbow unicorn god? How about no god at all?And you are trying to say in a round-about way that order equals god. That is an ignorant view of this world. We know otherwise. If this were all true as you present it then maybe, but it isn't.No one can say "the universe had formed from nothing" or "had nothing to cause it". We are too ignorant of this beginning to say anything at all about it.So, no Preacher, your views are neither factual nor logically consistent. Ignorant speculation. Really not worth the effort to contemplate.

Not even a few yactoseconds.

If Eleanor Roosevelt had wings, if the White House was built like the Arc de Triomphe, if Jimmy Carter had not been re-elected to a second term, then god is now dancing on an eternal rainbow with his legions of gay lovers many of which are trying to preach the gospels.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Wouldn’t that go for all of us, though? If religios could pray themselves into space then maybe WE could pray THEM into space too?Imagine massive prayer vigils held by atheists in every stadium around the world sending hundreds of millions of the religiously loony into space every day! It would be glorious! The Rapture come true! The cleansing rapture of ALL the religiously encumbered, handicapped, nutzoid would arrive just as the ancients promised! Halleluiah!Baah, I guess that’s not allowed. Mother nature does have her rules.

But you don't know. Nobody does.If you can speculate a beginning then I can speculate that physics will not be breached in any way you so desperately seem to need for your argument.You can sillyjism any speculations you so desire into any gods you want. And I can do the same to get rid of them.

Says who?I know of nothing that restricts our physics to only our side of creation. Just ask Kip Thorne about the physics of wormholes that transcend our universe.And even in a multiverse the speculation is that a universe COULD (note: not would) have different physics. There is nothing in these scenarios keeping the physics we all know and love from being propagated across other universes. ... or not. In my speculative fantasy it can't. My speculative physics doesn't work that way. You're such a pessimist. That's right. Nobody knows, which means your conclusions, based on your observations of nothing but speculative (and faulty) what-ifs, are not supported and are not allowed.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

No, you didn't. You threw a bunch of crap at the wall to see if any of it would stick. Nothing did. Even this fixed version is not quite right. Parts of QFT don't make any sense at all by any math, logic, meaning. Why do you think there are so many different interpretations from Copenhagen. What BS. Minds are not required. They are the key to our understanding but our understanding is not necessary for the universe to exist. It was here before us. It will be here after us.At this point your two therefores in the first sillyjism are dead. Paraphrase Neil deGrasse Tyson, this universe is under no obligation to make sense to you or anyone else.Remember both your meaning and your logic are human constructs. This universe has already defied our logic on numerous occasions for millennia. That is probably not going to change.Since the universe does not make sense, and does not need to make sense to us mere mortals, then the universe is not required to comply with your sense of meaning or logic at all. There, fixed this one, too.What our present reality is telling us is that no minds, not yours, mine or your non-existent spook, are required for this universe to exist.Again, C7(77), your logic is piss poor and your facts aren't even close to anything substantive. Your sillygisms are not valid.You do realize, C7(77), that none of your fantasy musings in this threat hold any effect on anything. The only things we know exist are those things physics shows us. All else is unknown, conjecture, speculation, superstition. And you cannot show otherwise.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

And that destroys your sillyjisms.

Ahh, well, yeah. That is the way reality works. I quote our science and when it says you're wrong then you are wrong.

What a twisted dumbfuck of an argument.Science is not religion. We don't ascribe to stone age concepts disproven long ago.And when it comes to your specific brand of bullshit, when the science says you are wrong, it means, C7(77), that you, personally, are wrong. No corrections required.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Your sillyjisms are bullshit. They were wrong from inception.That appears to be a major problem with you. You're so in love with your sense of logic that you can't see the flaws embedded.

Just be cause science doesn't know everything does not mean we know nothing.Most things we know very very well, indeed, and in those things, like known evidenced physics, you cannot challenge it with religious bullshit.Use:
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Your arguments were refuted hundreds of years ago.We have no need to re-examine your failed religious tracts. It is a waste of electrons.It's like trying to argue vaccines with a trumpette.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

There is no certainty in the universe. No certainty in life. Big revelation. Nothing ever is proven. Not your god your jesus your flud not your genesis.What we have is a very high degree of confidence in the efficacy of our models, many of which have never, ever, failed unlike your god your jesus your flud your genesis. And it doesn't matter who you are, when the science says you are wrong then you are wrong. Ask Fred Hoyle.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Stop right there.The ONLY things we can say about this universe are those things evidenced. There is nothing else.Anything else is a charlatan's game.