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Author Topic:   The Sudden Dawn of the Cosmos and the Constancy of Physical Laws
Tangle
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Message 41 of 244 (888145)
09-06-2021 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Christian7
09-06-2021 11:39 AM


Re: Actual Big Bang Theory
The Universe has laws
Therefore goddidit

You need to learn some very basic logic.


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Message 46 of 244 (888346)
09-15-2021 10:41 AM
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09-15-2021 8:04 AM


Re: Actual Big Bang Theory
Gospel Preacher writes:

If the universe has laws,

We know that it has some things that we presently call laws.

if these laws are constant,

We don't know if they are or maybe how small you have to get before stuff goes a bit wonky. Quantum Theory has rather messed that idea up.

if that constancy is an eternal one, then by no means from nothing can it suddenly emerge, and not into nothing at any time disappear.

Well, apart from that being gobbledegook, we do know that things can emerge from nothing. Depending on what you mean by nothing of course.

For the laws of the cosmos, as they do permit a sudden dawn of all things, must also permit a sudden end of all things.

Why?

For there is no law saying all things must remain for eternity.

Well it's rather the opposite; there's a law that says things will eventually slowly go pouff. But it depends on your definition of "things".

Thererefore science is not a dependable thing.

So is that ALL science that is not dependable or just the stuff you don't understand (which I suppose may well be all of it.)?

Whether you think it dependable or not, you utterly rely on it all day everyday. Did you drive anywhere today? Switch a lightbulb on? Make some toast? Post a pile of nonsense on an internet forum? How about got a COVID jab?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 126 of 244 (888431)
09-18-2021 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Christian7
09-17-2021 10:50 PM


C7 writes:

A: If the universe does not make sense, it violates the laws of meaning and logic.

Is there a reason that you think that the universe is under any obligation to make sense to us?

The universe makes more sense to us today than it did 500 years ago. Does this mean that it violated the laws of meaning and logic more then than now? Do we have to understand everything about the universe for it to exist?

A: For the universe to make sense according to meaning and logic, it must make sense to a mind.

I think it more accurate to say that a mind is required to think anything about the universe.

B: The universe makes sense according to meaning and logic.

Quantum Mechanics makes no sense at all to meaning and logic, does this mean that the universe doesn't exist?

C: Therefore, the universe cannot exist without a mind.

The universe had no minds in it at all until we came along a few hundred thousand years ago but it seemed to get along just fine.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 235 of 244 (888577)
09-21-2021 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Christian7
09-21-2021 1:14 PM


Christain7 writes:

I was simply trying to achieve certain stylistic qualities in my posts

Personally, I was reading your posts and thinking that it is Yoda that you are.

Just use simple, straightforward language; a hell of a lot easier it is.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 238 of 244 (888589)
09-22-2021 11:48 AM


Ouch, that hurts.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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