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Finally, some real news about the Mueller indictments

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ringo
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10-31-2017 12:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
10-31-2017 10:06 AM

Re: One reasonable leftist voice
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He made it very clear he was not for Trump, and yet he argued forcibly against those anti-Trumpers who seem bent on bringing him down, saying he's our President and if we bring him down we are doing damage not just to Trump, not just to right-wingers but to the country.
The point of bringing down a bad President is to prevent him from doing greater damage.
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Message 17 of 122 (822694)
10-31-2017 1:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
10-31-2017 1:06 PM

Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
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This whole paradigm of two different news sources has me confused.
Does any news source doubt that the indictments are real? Does any news source doubt that guilty pleas are real or that prosecutions are real? There comes a point when opinions from different sources don't matter and reality sets in.
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11-01-2017 3:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
10-31-2017 3:07 PM

Re: One reasonable leftist voice
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Right. Such as by fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted him into office so that the views of his defeated opponents can prevail although they were voted out.
When a candidate makes bad promises, I'd rather have him break them.
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11-01-2017 3:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 61 by Phat
11-01-2017 12:05 PM

Re: More About Fake News: How Do We Separate Truth from Fiction?
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They accuse Trump of gaslighting, but others would defend him in that he is simply using the tools of modern communication.
I don't think what Trump does is gaslighting. That would imply some long-term plan.
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I think what Trump does is just plain ad hoc lying.
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