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Author Topic:   The irresolvability of the creation/evolution debate
Stile
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Message 33 of 98 (449058)
01-16-2008 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by teen4christ
01-15-2008 3:56 PM


No discussion is useless, but some are still obvious
teen4christ writes:
Even IFF everything we discuss... is completely and utterly pointless, these discussions would still be very helpful in that we can expose each other to views that some of us might never have thought of.
Very true. But do not confuse the view that "no discussion is useless" with "no discussion has a solution".
Reality Man writes:
Origins and the concept of God the almighty and evolution and the scary spaghetti monster, is very simply beyond anybody's comprehension!
I don't see why this is true.
1. Origins seems to be well within our comprehension. We may not have all the answers, but progress is being made.
2. The concept of God the almighty seems to be well within our comprehension. I havn't heard of a God concept I havn't been able to comprehend, anyway. Whether or not "some God" is a part of our reality may be out of our comprehension. But as soon as someone gives their God some physical aspect (eg. "My God flooded the entire world within the last 6000 years"), it's certainly within our comprehension to test this, and show that it's not a part of reality.
3. Evolution is also well within our comprehension. So much so that it's undeniable by most of the world.
4. The scary spaghetti monster is in the same boat as God the almighty. We may not be able to comprehend the reality of "some spaghetti monster", but as soon as a a physical aspect is promoted by someone it's within our comprehension to test against reality.
Reality Man writes:
Meanwhile, these discussion are ofcourse engaging and very interesting, but no one has anything that is accepted by everyone.
I agree. But it's a good thing that "being accepted by everyone" isn't the criteria for something being a part of reality. The criteria for something being a part of reality has no concern for what anyone accepts or believes, it's only concerned with what we can show to be true. Evolution can be shown to be true. Creationism (a literal interpretation of Genesis) does not match up with what is shown in reality.

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Message 34 of 98 (449059)
01-16-2008 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by bluescat48
01-15-2008 8:28 PM


Everybody wins!
You're both right.
crashfrog writes:
1/x never evaluates to zero.
True. For any defined value of x, which I'm sure crashfrog intended.
crashfrog writes:
Were you talking about the summation of 1/x as x -> infinity? Because the limit of that function is 1
True... kinda. Here, crashfrog isn't talking about any single expression of 1/x, but the summation of all the expressions of 1/x, which does approach 1, well, as long as crashfrog intended to start at x=2, anyway. If you start at x=1, the answer is 2. And you can't start at x=0 since 1/0 is undefined.
bluescat48 writes:
thus 1/x as x increases without limit 1/x approaches zero
True. And you're talking about the single expression. crashfrog was discussing the summation.
I think, anyway

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Message 41 of 98 (487360)
10-30-2008 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by chemscience
10-29-2008 12:02 AM


Yes, please answer Huntard, just do it in the right place
chemscience writes:
I take it that any further response by me to Coyote & Huntard is off limits. I would like to answer them, is there any way I can without violating protocol?
Yes. You can always talk about pretty much whatever you'd like here. The restrictions on what you can talk about are extremely loose.
There are, however, strict restrictions on where you can talk about those things, that's all. If you've ever read any other message board, you'll know all to well that threads easily get pulled off-topic and start discussion on things that have nothing to do with the original focus. This results in dis-organization, and creates a site that is incredibly difficult to navigate when trying to find information on a topic later.
Sorry, didn't mean to single you out or anything, you've actually reacted to Admin's message in a very calm manner. I've just been annoyed lately that so many people come here and scream something like "You're censoring me"! or "You won't let me talk about __________"! Which is so overboard and immature when that's absolutely not what's going on. Again, you can discuss whatever you'd like. All you have to do is make an attempt to keep topics focused on their original topic. If you want to say something that is off-topic, just start a new topic. It's simple, and easy, and organized.
Just take Larni's advice, you can even reference this thread in order to put context on your 'new' topic (see the dBCodes (help) link on the left when creating your message or topic). The admins will help to put your topic in the right forum if you can't judge where it should go.

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