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Author Topic:   The irresolvability of the creation/evolution debate
onifre
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Message 43 of 98 (487366)
10-30-2008 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Huntard
10-30-2008 1:09 PM


Re: Should I answer Huntard?
Just give the word and I'll make the thread.
Word...

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onifre
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Message 45 of 98 (487425)
10-31-2008 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by chemscience
10-30-2008 8:11 PM


Re: Should I answer Huntard?
Onifre, thanks for offering to open up a thread,
I didn't, Huntard did. He said give the word, since you didn't give the word, I gave the 'word' for you. Honestly I don't think you have much of an argument other than what you've read on creationist websites but it'll be fun to find out...you know, for shits and giggles.
Here's an interesting confirmation of Scriptural accuracy, and that of the New World Translation, in translating “Natah”
Job 9:8 Around the stars he puts a seal, STRETCHING out the heavens by himself
Job 27:3 He is STRETCHING out the north over the empty place, Hanging the
earth upon nothing
Psalm 104:2 Enwrapping yourself ... STRETCHING out the heavens like a tent
Isaiah 40:22 & 42:5 The One who is STRETCHING out the heavens as a fine gauze
51:13 Jehovah ... the One STRETCHING out the heavens
Zech 12:1 The One who is STRETCHING out the heavens
Cool, but what do you want to argue against?
If you want to equate those passages to the universes expantion then fine. I would only see an argument if you said the universe wasn't expanding. As far as Biblical quotes go, I don't care nor am I conserned with what any religous texts say, so if you just want to prove the Bibles accuracy I suggest you go on those threads and discuss it with people who can give you a good arguement, I really don't care much about scriptures.
Thus our dynamic God pre-empted 20th century astronomers by telling us he is expanding the universe, and that was 35 centuries ago in Job and repetitively by subsequent prophets.
If you say so, I could care less.
ABE:
Just some advice,
I'll give evidence or qualified authority to support my positions, but some remarks will be simply my personal conclusions/convictions/beliefs.
Evidence is great, pleading to authorities will probably not get you far in this forum. Citing journals, papers, experiments, etc. will work fine, saying stuff like "Dr. So-and So said that there is no intelligent life anywhere in the universe", will not be evidence nor will it be a fact. It will be considered pleading to authority and will make your argument look weak. Just some friendly advice.
Edited by onifre, : Advice on pleading to authority.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 48 of 98 (487470)
10-31-2008 6:45 PM
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10-31-2008 5:55 PM


Re: Onifre Goodby!
"I don't think you have much of an argument other than what you've read on creationist websites but it'll be fun to find out...you know, for shits and giggles."
You scatalogically claim the intellectual high ground, by proclamation, not proof. This is a tactic common to closed minds.
I've participated in no creationist website; haven't read one in years; don't need to. Most insist on a 144 hour creation schedule that's poor exogesis and disregards geology, paleontology & astronomy. I've investigated the issue 50+ years.
Ok, and like I said we'll find out. Im not closed minded, I enjoy a good debate, but your first post with the 20 or so things that are wrong about evolution was just flat out nonsense. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but I don't care. This is a debate forum so argue your point.
I'll not swap insults with you. Your contempt for contray opinion is bad form. I see no gain in being the target of your giggles & XXXs.
If I offended you by using the word shit, then fuck im sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick. Im usually not sensitive to the shit people don't want to hear, I can be a fuckhead like that sometimes. Hope to see you on the threads though, don't let my brash behaviour turn you off...im a cool guy, just give me a chance.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 51 of 98 (487528)
11-01-2008 9:21 AM
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11-01-2008 2:10 AM


Re: Onifre Hello Again!
Hi chemsci,
I'll see you on Huntards thread...

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onifre
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Message 83 of 98 (492153)
12-28-2008 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by thief
12-28-2008 10:23 AM


Give the poor lad a chance
Let's try something really different
I will place you between myself and Moses
I bid you to say to him
Hey old man! you do not understand what hangs above your head...
nor do you understand what lays beneath your feet.
Take a hike! to the east..if you live long enough you will cross a huge territory (we now call Asia). When you reach the far side..build an ark..with sails.. cross the ocean (we now call Pacific)...abandon the ark and cross the land (we now call America)..build another ark, with sails..cross the ocean (we now call Atlantic)...if you stray not far off course (South America or Africa) you will soon be home again.
At this point Moses would look you in the eye..and not with approval
Say to him then...the stars above are not candles held steadfast by the angels. They are instead huge balls of flaming hot gas, far larger than the earth, and so distant the light of such things requires thousands of years to be seen by us.
At this point Moses would likely pick up a rock.
So too his many followers.
And if you fail to turn quickly...run...never to be seen again
you could end up under a pile of rock, dying from suffocation.
But who is greater ...you or Moses?
You know what hangs above your head.
You know the earth is round
For lack of proof..Moses would have you dead for such words
But you know better...don't you?
Unless Moses should change his mind you will not have peace with him.
How scientific are you?
Finally, poetic debating!
Sorry guys but I'm loving this. Please digress good sir and continue your point.
What happens next...?
Do I tell Moses about blackholes yet..?
Would that cause me to suffer more punishment because I don't have proof of them yet...?
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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