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Author Topic:   The irresolvability of the creation/evolution debate
thief
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Message 52 of 98 (492072)
12-28-2008 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aven
11-10-2007 1:56 AM


science and creation are not unresolved
Greetings
My real name is Robert
For years now I been quietly watching as the debate continues, one against the other, creation versus science. The action alone is the cause for the all the hype and grief.
I have found a way to place the Genesis account and the theory of evolution side by side, in harmony.
Having done so, I realize how easy the discussion is.
There are of course discussions essential that must take place first.
I wonder how many there are, who might be willing to surrender their
positions, their beliefs, for the sake of resolve?

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thief
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Message 55 of 98 (492100)
12-28-2008 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by cavediver
12-28-2008 5:52 AM


Re: science and creation are not unresolved
Greetings and On Guard!
Sword play is a skill, gentlemen.
Obviously, you display your love of contention first.
I fear greatly to lose this debate.
Not that I have error in my own supposition, but that you would digress immediately to topics and viewpoint which cannot assist.
Put away your swords.
I am your fellow servant.
Shall we not define some sense of direction first?
Where I am coming from is Genesis as written by Moses.
Then followed by a discreet 'nay' saying.
As I proceed I would ask first your patience....
and then your mind and hearts.
Seeing that you have sword in hand I give you fair warning
Later on Someone will ask of me...what did you say?
I will fess up and repeat what I have said
He will than ask if I told anyone else.
I will fess up again
That's when your names come up.
We are all accountable for whatever we say 'yeah' to.
Likewise for our denials.
Are you sure you are up for this?
thief

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thief
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Message 57 of 98 (492104)
12-28-2008 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
12-28-2008 9:33 AM


Re: science and creation are not unresolved
ok fine!
Let's see how quick you really are.
Day one...light
Day two...heaven
Day three...all things green and seed bearing
Day four... the seasons are set in motion
Day five...all things that swim or fly
Day six... all things that walk...including us
See anything wrong in this quick list?
Be careful
Your response reflects your problem solving abilities.
It is this skill that brings resolve.
If your response lacks evidence of proper spirit..
I might well leave you as you are.

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thief
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Message 59 of 98 (492111)
12-28-2008 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by lyx2no
12-28-2008 9:56 AM


Re: Harmony Reigns
Let's try something really different
I will place you between myself and Moses
I bid you to say to him
Hey old man! you do not understand what hangs above your head...
nor do you understand what lays beneath your feet.
Take a hike! to the east..if you live long enough you will cross a huge territory (we now call Asia). When you reach the far side..build an ark..with sails.. cross the ocean (we now call Pacific)...abandon the ark and cross the land (we now call America)..build another ark, with sails..cross the ocean (we now call Atlantic)...if you stray not far off course (South America or Africa) you will soon be home again.
At this point Moses would look you in the eye..and not with approval
Say to him then...the stars above are not candles held steadfast by the angels. They are instead huge balls of flaming hot gas, far larger than the earth, and so distant the light of such things requires thousands of years to be seen by us.
At this point Moses would likely pick up a rock.
So too his many followers.
And if you fail to turn quickly...run...never to be seen again
you could end up under a pile of rock, dying from suffocation.
But who is greater ...you or Moses?
You know what hangs above your head.
You know the earth is round
For lack of proof..Moses would have you dead for such words
But you know better...don't you?
Unless Moses should change his mind you will not have peace with him.
How scientific are you?

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thief
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Message 61 of 98 (492115)
12-28-2008 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by bluescat48
12-28-2008 10:44 AM


Re: science and creation are not unresolved
Thank you
I wanted you to see the error in the list
You did.
It is sufficient that you perceive it
Further elaboration will not be required.
The list is brief but is the same display as used by Moses
And you know better..don't you?
The contention between Creationists and Science rolls back and forth as either side holds as standard the source of their conviction
Creationists should not lean on Moses as a crutch
Shall I do the same to Chapter Two?
This is where science rears it's head

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thief
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Message 64 of 98 (492120)
12-28-2008 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Larni
12-28-2008 12:48 PM


Re: science and creation are not unresolved
ok fine!
Let's change the name, to any name you care to.
Now let's go back to the spot where I came in and see if this line of thought is any different.

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Message 65 of 98 (492121)
12-28-2008 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by lyx2no
12-28-2008 12:49 PM


Re: Wow! I Think You're on [to] Something
I can tell you a lot more than the color of the sky.
For your next question, try less rhetorical and more inquisitive.

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thief
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Message 67 of 98 (492123)
12-28-2008 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Larni
12-28-2008 1:10 PM


Re: science and creation are not unresolved
you're not much to work with
Say something.

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thief
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Message 70 of 98 (492130)
12-28-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by lyx2no
12-28-2008 1:44 PM


Re: Wow! I Think You're on [to] Something
you don't catch on well
See message 59
Chapter Two is actually Day Eight
There is a distinct difference between creation as compared to manipulation.
All the events of the garden are isolated (experimentation)
Adam is a chosen son of God
The garden of Eden is ideal living situation (test tube)
Adam's life was extended by the situation
God caused Adam to sleep deeply (anesthesia)
Extracted a rib (major surgery)
Increased the rib to full stature (cloning)
Altered the genetics to produce a female
Eve is a clone.
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride
To say that science has no part in the development of Man...
could be a little shallow.
This should keep you busy for a while.
Try using Old King James
There's a new Bible going about. Chapter Two begins declaring Chapter Two as a re-telling of Chapter One
I prefer the old version
Chapter Two is not a re-telling of Chapter One
Evolution took place Day Six
Time values are pointless
Now let's see what you've got!

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thief
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Message 72 of 98 (492132)
12-28-2008 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Larni
12-28-2008 2:28 PM


Re: Wow! I Think You're on [to] Something
Anybody else?

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thief
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Message 73 of 98 (492133)
12-28-2008 3:06 PM


Greetings to you one and all Creation vs Evolution
Please review messages 59 onward
I'm seeking a bit more feed back
Thief

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thief
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Message 79 of 98 (492144)
12-28-2008 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by DevilsAdvocate
12-28-2008 4:01 PM


Re: Wow! I Think You're on [to] Something
Did you take the time?
Genesis is what most creationists rely on to support their perspective
Go back and read it again. I use this reference to show this to be so.
Chapter Two does not defeat science
Chapter one does not take away evolution
The question is not about me
The question is...are you scientific..do you recognize an experiment when you see one?
Or do you prefer your Scripture 'as is' ?

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Message 81 of 98 (492149)
12-28-2008 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by AdminNosy
12-28-2008 4:43 PM


Re: Be more careful in posting thief
Thank you
But to assume I ramble is incorrect
That this particular viewpoint eludes the other participates doesn't place me at fault
Perhaps a dialog...one on one would be better?

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Message 84 of 98 (492157)
12-28-2008 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by onifre
12-28-2008 7:18 PM


Re: Give the poor lad a chance
I thank you for your most gracious reprieve.
I realize you offer no agreement, and you offer no support
However, your allowance to me is most kind
Apparently, the rest of this small gathering does not share your etiquette, nor do they possess well developed imaginations.
Imagination is the problem solving portion of the mind
Without such ability, possible solutions are elusive, and there maybe no problem that can be resolved
I must have been too brief in previous text.
I have already displayed the narrative of Genesis Chapter One to be something less than it should be.
Chapter Two fairs no better. An argument favoring creationism cannot be supported out of Genesis. On the contrary, the events of Chapter Two are not events of magic or myth. They are events of manipulation
As for Adam as a myth...Nay!
Adam is the first son of God. Scripture says so, and on this point I offer no contest. It is simply that Adam was first to encounter a being greater than himself. To say 'nay' to this gives rise to another discussion...does God speak at all! He had to start somewhere.
As for Eve...she is the one not having a navel!

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thief
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Message 86 of 98 (492161)
12-28-2008 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by DevilsAdvocate
12-28-2008 10:43 PM


Re: Give the poor lad a chance
Some Devil's advocate you are.
I've been picking on the Genesis narrative, and Moses
You were never the target!
Previous dialog was offer to reduce the creationist crutch of Scripture
Future dialog will be aimed at the scientist.
Which one are you?
Declare yourself!

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