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Message 239 of 848 (840330)
09-27-2018 8:30 AM


Today's handguns
Today I'll be openly carrying an FEG PJK-9 which is a clone of the Browning High Power and made in Hungary. IIRC I bought this in the mid 1980s. It will have a 10 round magazine plus one round in the chamber and carried "Cocked & Locked". I will also have two 13 round magazines for it.

My backup handgun will be a Smith & Wesson Double Action model 4 that was likely made in 1903. It's a 5 round top break revolver with an auto eject feature. I'll have two speed loaders for it with an additional 5 rounds each.


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Message 241 of 848 (840335)
09-27-2018 8:43 AM
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09-27-2018 8:35 AM


Re: Today's handguns
Hopefully absolutely nothing. But I will also carry a knife and other objects.

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Message 243 of 848 (840337)
09-27-2018 8:51 AM
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09-27-2018 8:49 AM


Re: Today's handguns
That's fine. But irrelevant. And he'd have a hard time making a case with anyone familiar with handguns.

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Message 245 of 848 (840339)
09-27-2018 9:21 AM
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09-27-2018 8:54 AM


Re: Today's handguns
We tend to forget that the "Wild West" wasn't really all that long ago. Tom Threepersons (the Cherokee not Canadian Tom Three Persons) developed his holster design to improve access and comfort in them new fangled automobiles that were replacing horses. He ended up getting shot five times (and kicked in the head by a horse that eventually led to his death) so there was lots of violence. Much of it was between Border Patrol or Rangers or Marshalls and smugglers and not just in the "WEST". But then as now, guns were simply a tool for many folk. I've had to shoot several rattlers that took residence out of the sun under folks porches or steps.

But there is also an often unmentioned advantage to being armed and that is a heightened awareness, responsibility and constant vigilance of my surroundings. I can and do try to avoid any possible conflicts, ignore petty annoyances, have no need to try to exert authority. If Freud wants to question my masculinity then that's fine. That's his right and if that makes him feel better then I'm all for it. If someone needs to pass me or drive faster than me or cut in front of me, that's fine. I don't have to get where I'm going more than the other person. If one of the members here at EvC says I should be taken out and shot, then he is welcomed to that opinion.

There are responsibilities that go along with gun ownership so any guns not on my person or directly under my control are locked away in safes. Ammo is locked away in other safes. My guns are cleaned regularly and I try to get to the range to practice at least twice a week if not more often. I respect all posted signs restricting handgun carry, even those that violate the laws.


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Message 247 of 848 (840341)
09-27-2018 9:30 AM
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09-27-2018 9:24 AM


Re: Today's handguns
I can't fit more than one round in a chamber.

Fortunately in the US I will be legal in almost every State.

One of the exceptions shown on the map is New Hampshire but that is misleading. New Hampshire has no reciprocity with Texas since it is unneeded. New Hampshire recognizes Constitutional Carry where no license is needed whether you are a State resident or a visitor. That means that in 44 of the 50 States I can carry as I am today totally legally.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 249 of 848 (840343)
09-27-2018 10:52 AM
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09-27-2018 10:19 AM


Re: Today's handguns
And I said you are welcome to your opinion. But regardless of your opinion in the US what I am doing is legal in almost every State.

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Message 251 of 848 (840346)
09-27-2018 12:00 PM
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09-27-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Today's handguns
Cops are somewhat smarter than you seem to give them credit. So far all the cops I've encountered while openly carrying a handgun have been more interested in discussion than shooting me.

Granted cops are not as practiced with handguns as I am and the average cop does not train with handguns as much as I do but they like all other humans are generally considerate.


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Message 255 of 848 (840350)
09-27-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Taq
09-27-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Today's handguns
Yup, and part of MY responsibility is to make sure stuff like that does not happen. Basic handgun training says that you announce what you are going to do and wait for the police to acknowledge that before you reach for that id.

For example, let's go over one of the really hairy situations, a night traffic stop. You roll down the window, put your hands on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to arrive. Then you tell the officer where your id is and that you have a handgun on your body and where the handgun is. You then wait for the officer to tell you what to do.

The goal is to keep stress at the lowest possible level, to NOT do things that can be misunderstood.


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Message 259 of 848 (840370)
09-27-2018 9:57 PM
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09-27-2018 9:17 PM


Re: Today's handguns
It's an interesting contrast with 1967. When I lived in California before 1967 just as in Arizona, anyone could own and openly carry any gun, pistol, revolver or rifle. At that time there was a segment of the US population that thought the system and the police were the enemy but that they had a Constitutional Right to take up arms for their self protection, even from the State. They started publicly carrying loaded rifles as the US Constitution and California Law allowed. During one of their peaceful protests they marched to the State Capital and carrying rifles actually enter the building.

They made it clear that they were not promoting, condoning or supporting aggression but were exercising their Constitutional Rights.

The problem was that they were Black and the consequences were that the Republican Legislature introduced and passed a bill making it illegal to carry a loaded firearm in public; a bill that was signed into law by Governor Reagan.


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Message 262 of 848 (840377)
09-28-2018 7:23 AM


Today's carry package:
Today I will be carrying a 45acp Dan Wesson Patriot/Pointman experimental 1911 in my old Bucheimer BPM-45 holster on a High Noon holster belt.

The Dan Wesson will be carried Condition 1, that is Cocked & Locked with a full magazine (8 rounds) plus one in the chamber. I will also carry two extra 8 round and two 7 round magazines.

My back up today will be a Sig Sauer 230 chambered 9mm Kurz, called .380 in the US. I'll carry a couple extra 7 round magazines for it as well.

The 1911 like yesterday's FEG is single action only. The Sig 230 is a DA/SA (Double Action/Single Action) semi-automatic. The difference is that the Sig 230, like a revolver, will cock the hammer when the trigger is pulled and so can be carried hammer down. The 1911 like yesterdays FEG will only release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. It is the action of the recoil that cocks the hammer and chambers the next round. That is why both the 1911 and the FEG are carried with the hammer cocked and the safety on. Like a revolver, the Sig 230 has no safety and like the 1911 after the first round the recoil of the slide cocks the hammer and chambers the next round. That is the SA part of a DA/SA handgun; the first round is double action while secondary rounds are single action. The Sig 230 does have a hammer drop lever that blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer to the DA position.

The Hammer Drop lever is right behind the trigger at the top of the grip:

Handgun safety is important so since the 1911 (and the FEG carried openly yesterday) are in Condition 1 I choose holsters that have the additional advantage of a retention strap. It serves two purposes, it keeps the gun fully seated in the holster even if I should fall and it also helps prevent someone grabbing the gun out of my holster. Also the trigger area is fully covered at all times. There are other forms of retention devices available today on holsters and it's always a good idea for a gun owner to take advantage of them when appropriate. One of the least expensive and most effective ways to increase handgun safety is a well made holster and a heavy duty belt designed to support the additional weight and keep the setup in the proper position.


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Message 268 of 848 (840386)
09-28-2018 11:18 AM
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09-28-2018 10:19 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
You are welcome to hold that opinion.

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Message 270 of 848 (840388)
09-28-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by ringo
09-28-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ringo writes:

Makes it easier to spot the outlaws.

Only if they open carry, but if they conceal the gun it doesn't help until after the fact.

ringo writes:

As this thread has made abundantly clear, the "law-abiding citizens" kill a lot of people.

Absolutely, and a lot of "law-abiding citizens" don't kill people.

But making really stupid arguments like those Percy has posted recently really don't help.


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jar
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Message 275 of 848 (840400)
09-28-2018 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
09-28-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Phat writes:

but you never answered my questions.
why do you carry so much ammunition?

Because I want to.

Phat writes:

do you see yourself as a responsible watchman over society?

There you go trying to pretend you have a clue about someone's motives. My motives are irrelevant and you are so bad at guessing you really need to stop.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 276 of 848 (840401)
09-28-2018 6:42 PM
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09-28-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
You are of course welcome top that opinion however I doubt you have any facts that include me as evidence.

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Message 277 of 848 (840402)
09-28-2018 6:44 PM
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09-28-2018 1:21 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ringo writes:

And a lot of criminals don't kill people. The law-abiding-citizens versus criminals argument is bogus.

I agree. That's one reason I don't use that argument.


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