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Message 56 of 834 (828645)
02-21-2018 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
02-21-2018 7:51 PM


Re: Wingnut's attack Florida High School Students
I think it's reprehensible that gun control becomes this huge leftist cause every time there is a shooting like this,

How much time needs to pass between a mass shooting and a conversation about gun control Faith? Is it far enough from Sandy Hook to talk about it? From Orlando? From Vegas?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 320 of 834 (840475)
09-30-2018 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by ringo
09-30-2018 2:23 PM


Also mind you, in 66 years I've only seen one handgun in civilian hands.

perhaps you might enjoy a trip to a range. These are what I'm taking out in a few minutes:


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 331 of 834 (840490)
09-30-2018 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by jar
09-30-2018 5:08 PM


yeah the 226 is so easy to shoot well. The one in the picture is in 9mm but i also have one in .357 SIG that I don't shoot often enough cause:
1. .357 SIG is expensive
2. .357 SIG is hard to find
3. .357 SIG is not fun to shoot.

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Message 334 of 834 (840498)
09-30-2018 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by jar
09-30-2018 7:44 PM


but it's an oddball so I had to have it. In a separate topic, my BHPs:


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Message 485 of 834 (842028)
10-25-2018 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Percy
10-25-2018 11:33 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
You do not need bullets like these:

How are you going to effectively and humanely hunt a moose with a .22? Do you sentence it to a death by a thousand cuts? Big, fast bullets are generally the most efficient and humane means of bringing down large game.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 500 of 834 (842051)
10-25-2018 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Percy
10-25-2018 8:52 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
I have no strong feelings about the caliber of hunting rifles.

you said there is no need for "any firearm of large caliber and/or of great energy", that's what hunting rifles are. Any round for taking decent sized game is going to be good at killing a human, we're pretty squishy compared to most animals.

Even more humane is not shooting animals at all.

so now you want to ban hunting.

Where's the skill, the marksmanship?

who says the hunters who use these rounds aren't trying to be accurate? if you shoot the animal in the wrong spot you could ruin the meat or worse not deliver a kill shot and then have it suffer as it bleeds out. Even with a rifle chambered in a good hunting calibre you still have to have good shot placement. The chances of taking a moose or other large game with a well aimed .22 are miniscule.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 515 of 834 (842101)
10-26-2018 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 508 by Percy
10-26-2018 12:10 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
I thought Hyroglyphx had just said hunting rifles are of much smaller caliber than assault rifles, but reading it again I think he meant the opposite.

Hunting rifles come in many flavors, depending on what you're hunting. But as I said before anything that can reliably take down a game animal is gonna just do fine on a human. In fact .223 remington/5.56 NATO is banned in some states for use against deer because it historically hasn't been a reliable killer yet it is the main rifle cartridge in western militaries.

How many times have I said I'm fine with hunting?

I haven't counted but some of your arguments seem to be saying the opposite, like "the ban large calibers and fast rounds" line. You're kind of taking the position we see with creationists in that you don't know some basic facts about the subject, but you're against it anyways.

I'm sure they are. What matters is their skill.

And who says they aren't skillful? is there a rash of hunters in your area with bad marksmanship skills? You seem to view every gun owner as a raving lunatic just ready to spray and pray at anything that crosses their path (admittedly ICANT is not providing an opposing example).

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 522 of 834 (842204)
10-27-2018 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Percy
10-27-2018 3:53 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
It supposedly isn't deadly enough (more about that in a minute), but they can just fire off one shot after another in the direction of the target.

once you fire off your shot the animal starts running. They don't just stand around, waiting to be hit.

I don't actually believe that the lower caliber of semi-automatics renders them inappropriate for hunting.

See here is an example of why i said you don't know basic facts, semi-autos aren't necessarily small caliber. Semi-automatic merely describes the action of the firearm, nothing more about it. You can get semi autos chambered in .22LR all the way up to .50BMG.


these are both semi-auto firearms.

Firearms are never safe in the hands of people

Guns aren't toys, but they're not dangerous vipers just itching to be set free either. They're as dangerous as the person that uses them. None of my guns have ever thrown off their shackles, broken out of my safes, broken into my ammo storage, loaded themselves and then run off into the night to cause mayhem.

Edited by DrJones*, : edit: hit submit too soon.


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Message 632 of 834 (843993)
11-23-2018 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.

of course they can, don't be an idiot. You can't murder someone just because you're doing it in your own house, neither could you traffic in drugs or produce child porn. It's you "I am the LAW" type of inbred cousin humpers that give the rest of us law abiding gun owners a bad name.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 633 of 834 (843994)
11-23-2018 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
It has been illegal for civilians to own weapons that fire automatic all of my life.

and this is not true. Live in the right state, jump through the right hoops, pay an arm and a leg and you too can own a fully transferable class 3 firearm.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 636 of 834 (844002)
11-23-2018 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by ICANT
11-23-2018 8:16 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
They are just exemption from the law. They do not change the law.

wrong again. Look up the National Firearm Act. As long as you live in a state that allows it, pay the $200 tax and jump through the legal hoops set out by the ATF you can own a fully automatic firearm.

And just how many of those exemptions from the law been issued.

lots. Look up the Knob Creek machine gun shoot or any of the various class 3 dealers on the interweb.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 637 of 834 (844003)
11-23-2018 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by ICANT
11-23-2018 7:36 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Don't try to play coy, you're not clever enough for it. We both know that the context of the discussion was that if there was law that mandated that firearms be stored unloaded and secured that you'd disobey it, that you think you're above the law.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 652 of 834 (844302)
11-27-2018 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by ICANT
11-27-2018 6:37 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
If you will check there a lot of those hoops and it is not worth it.

pay a $200 tax, fill out a few forms and undergo a back ground check, how onerous.

And I suppose you want me to go through the same things to own my shotgun.

the tax may be a bit much for an average firearm but I don't see what's wrong with the rest. I had to take 2 safety courses, submit an application, pay an application fee, undergo a background check, have a phone interview, and provide 2 references before I was issued my Possession and Acquisition License with the Restricted firearms endorsement. None of that was particularly taxing.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 657 of 834 (844817)
12-05-2018 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 656 by Percy
12-05-2018 3:55 PM


Re: Hey you gun control nuts, deal with this!
Of course for the woman to have armed herself so quickly means the gun wasn't in one safe and the ammo in another. The gun was already loaded and sitting in a nightstand or a bureau drawer or someplace like that,

that's a statement without support. We don't know the time between him entering her house to when she realized an intruder was in her house to when he got to her room and she shot him. My guns and ammo are all locked up safely and I can easily get one out and readied within 5 minutes., the WP version of the story said "moments" later a 911 call was received but who knows how long a "moment" really is.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 659 of 834 (844824)
12-05-2018 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 658 by Percy
12-05-2018 7:15 PM


Re: Hey you gun control nuts, deal with this!
Do you think it likely that she has lockboxes and keeps them in her bedroom?

why wouldn't she? that's where mine are.

Yeah, sure. Our escaped convict, in desperate need of clothes that aren't orange and hoping to find some that fit in a bedroom, smashes down the kitchen door and instantly alerts the residents but inexplicably decides to take his time. He saunters about the kitchen, fries an egg and makes some toast, then relaxes through a delicious breakfast. He then seeks out a weapon, but instead of using all this time to select a serious kitchen knife he takes...a knife sharpener.

but you don't know that that is not how things went down. We don't know a lot of things about the sequence of events.

I'm glad you're choosing the least unsafe method to keeping guns in the house.

My ammo is in locked containers. My pistols are trigger locked, in locked cases in my locked safe. Rifles and shotguns are trigger locked in locked safes. I am exceeding the legal storage requirements. How can I be safer, aside from the "don't own guns" dodge?

How many people have keys or know where the keys are or know the combo or whatever? In other words, how many people can open them?

none

How many people know one of your passwords, at home or work, doesn't matter?

nobody knows my personal passwords, I'm sure the IT guys at my office have ways of overriding the passwords related to my work stuff.

A "moment" is a fairly short period of time.

indeed but there is no set amount of time for a moment. it could just be flowery language from the writer, we don't know the timeframe of events.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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